Crazy uncles

[CJDave]

Hey folks,

In connection with all of the ridiculous issues mentioned that I have had to endure with Crazy Uncle and Aaron and the fact that I have not heard a single word about my supposed $250K - $300K in sales in over 6 WEEKS !!! (even though the reserves should have been triple that) I wanted to ask this question to anyone reading this that is either an Auction House (AH) or to anyone that has consigned to an auction house.

I have mentioned in the past that other AHs have paid me within 30 days and have communicated all along the way (and all have been 6 figures).

For those who are AHs......what is average turn time to pay (and especially to your largest consigner)? And what is communication to your consigners like as far as the totals and when they can expect their money?

For those who have consigned to AHs......how long has it normally taken to get paid and how has the communication been with the AH on how much you should be getting paid and how long will be the time frame?

Obviously Crazy Uncle is not in the same class as the other AHs but aside from the screw job with my reserves (which my protection was all in writing), the fact that items were sold for 1/3 of the reserves with a loss of over a half million dollars, the hundreds of thousands of dollars of missing items never returned, and the sheer disgusting move of dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars of high end collectibles without warning in front of my home when no one was at home for them to not only be stolen, but on one day in 95 degree heat and on another day during a tropical storm...….but the fact that the supposed sales of $250K - $300K have not been paid and have not even been communicated with me as to the pay date (and FYI - I have in writing about a 14 day pay date !!!!!). I'm pretty sure 6 weeks+ is more than 14 days!!!!!!

I would love some feed back about other AH experiences from both sides......This is actually something that will help me in the end.

THANK YOU !!!!!!!

[toppcat]

Is there some reason you're not just suing the crap out of him at this point?

[CJDave]

Originally Posted by toppcat

Is there some reason you're not just suing the crap out of him at this point?

Oh don't think for a minute that isn't happening...….this is just an ammunition building exercise. Adding another proverbial nail to their coffin for there absolute sheer incompetence and despicable behavior !!!

And I am pretty sure everyone reading this will note (and find odd and revealing) that Aaron has yet to dispute or chime in on a single one of my accusations. The innocent usually defend themselves !!!

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by CJDave

Oh don't think for a minute that isn't happening...….this is just an ammunition building exercise. Adding another proverbial nail to their coffin for there absolute sheer incompetence and despicable behavior !!!

And I am pretty sure everyone reading this will note (and find odd and revealing) that Aaron has yet to dispute or chime in on a single one of my accusations. The innocent usually defend themselves !!!

I dunno, if I had a quarter mil in unreturned merch and a non-payment in the six figures I'd be suing by now. I'd also be in touch with the Post Office and the Delaware and your local state AG's office. I find it baffling you haven't done so.

[buymycards]

What I find baffling is that someone on this board must know the names of the partners in this operation, but the names have not been released. Also, I find it interesting that none of the partners themselves have come forward with information. It wouldn't surprise me if one or more of the partners were board members.

[CJDave]

Originally Posted by buymycards

What I find baffling is that someone on this board must know the names of the partners in this operation, but the names have not been released. Also, I find it interesting that none of the partners themselves have come forward with information. It wouldn't surprise me if one or more of the partners were board members.

Or......there really are no partners and this is just Aaron as the sole owner. Perhaps this whole story about high-end, big name collectors is just a marketing stunt to make himself sound bigger than he actually is.

[CJDave]

Originally Posted by buymycards

What I find baffling is that someone on this board must know the names of the partners in this operation, but the names have not been released. Also, I find it interesting that none of the partners themselves have come forward with information. It wouldn't surprise me if one or more of the partners were board members.

So this was the write-up Aaron gave on this board back in Octover 2019:

I am the President of the company and handle all auction operations. For those of you that I do not know, I was the Senior Auction Coordinator at Steiner Auctions and have been an active collector since the 1980s. My personal collection has gone down many roads, but currently focuses on Tinker, Evers and Chance.

The owners of Crazy Uncle are a small group of elite collectors, none of whom work in the hobby. They have participated in every major auction in the hobby since the early 1990's. The principal owner is a business executive at a prominent company who prior to his professional career was a top distributor of cards for Topps and a mid-century set builder/seller - the kind you all remember from the back of the trade magazines. He has personally bought and sold nearly 3,000,000 baseball cards in his life.

We are located at 175 Varick Street in Manhattan and available to meet in the Tri-State area or at the office by appointment. We have our warehouse in White Plains, NY.

So my question is........can anyone decipher or crack the code as to who this principal owner could be???

[ullmandds]

sounds like a lot of "fluff?"

[bigfish]

Originally Posted by CJDave

So this was the write-up Aaron gave on this board back in Octover 2019:

I am the President of the company and handle all auction operations. For those of you that I do not know, I was the Senior Auction Coordinator at Steiner Auctions and have been an active collector since the 1980s. My personal collection has gone down many roads, but currently focuses on Tinker, Evers and Chance.

The owners of Crazy Uncle are a small group of elite collectors, none of whom work in the hobby. They have participated in every major auction in the hobby since the early 1990's. The principal owner is a business executive at a prominent company who prior to his professional career was a top distributor of cards for Topps and a mid-century set builder/seller - the kind you all remember from the back of the trade magazines. He has personally bought and sold nearly 3,000,000 baseball cards in his life.

We are located at 175 Varick Street in Manhattan and available to meet in the Tri-State area or at the office by appointment. We have our warehouse in White Plains, NY.

So my question is........can anyone decipher or crack the code as to who this principal owner could be???

How do become an “elite collector”. Carpal tunnel from sorting cards? What does that term even mean?

[MikeGarcia]

."" He has personally bought and sold nearly 3,000,000 baseball cards in his life.""


So my question is........can anyone decipher or crack the code as to who this principal owner could be???

'''' Hey I can't be the only one here who figured out it was Leon.....

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[Lorewalker]

Hello Dave,

As others have said, sorry about the troubles. I know I would be pretty upset if this had happened to me. I am not doubting your story but I am confused about your asking for info and guidance on a chat board when you claim to have the authorities involved as well as lawyers. I would think with those connections, absolutely anything you wanted to know about the process of recovery to background info on Aaron, would be easily available through those means.

Dunno maybe I am missing something but I am puzzled.

Hope this works out for you.

Chase

[CJDave]

Originally Posted by toppcat

I dunno, if I had a quarter mil in unreturned merch and a non-payment in the six figures I'd be suing by now. I'd also be in touch with the Post Office and the Delaware and your local state AG's office. I find it baffling you haven't done so.

Not the post office, but the other things you mentioned have been started.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

We pay within 14 business days and I don't think you'll find an auction house smaller than us. Occasionally we have been late by a day or two, but more often we're early. If we haven't paid we normally give a status update around day 10.

Any of the guys who've consigned with me want to verify that? Pretty sure I've lived up to those standards.

Originally Posted by CJDave

Hey folks,

In connection with all of the ridiculous issues mentioned that I have had to endure with Crazy Uncle and Aaron and the fact that I have not heard a single word about my supposed $250K - $300K in sales in over 6 WEEKS !!! (even though the reserves should have been triple that) I wanted to ask this question to anyone reading this that is either an Auction House (AH) or to anyone that has consigned to an auction house.

I have mentioned in the past that other AHs have paid me within 30 days and have communicated all along the way (and all have been 6 figures).

For those who are AHs......what is average turn time to pay (and especially to your largest consigner)? And what is communication to your consigners like as far as the totals and when they can expect their money?

For those who have consigned to AHs......how long has it normally taken to get paid and how has the communication been with the AH on how much you should be getting paid and how long will be the time frame?

Obviously Crazy Uncle is not in the same class as the other AHs but aside from the screw job with my reserves (which my protection was all in writing), the fact that items were sold for 1/3 of the reserves with a loss of over a half million dollars, the hundreds of thousands of dollars of missing items never returned, and the sheer disgusting move of dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars of high end collectibles without warning in front of my home when no one was at home for them to not only be stolen, but on one day in 95 degree heat and on another day during a tropical storm...….but the fact that the supposed sales of $250K - $300K have not been paid and have not even been communicated with me as to the pay date (and FYI - I have in writing about a 14 day pay date !!!!!). I'm pretty sure 6 weeks+ is more than 14 days!!!!!!

I would love some feed back about other AH experiences from both sides......This is actually something that will help me in the end.

THANK YOU !!!!!!!

[Yoda]

Dave, you might want to consider contacting the FBI about what has transpired. I believe your sad saga may qualify as mail fraud, which is under the jurisdiction of the FBI. I bet Aaron would wake up if the Feds turned up at his door.

[CJDave]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Dave, you might want to consider contacting the FBI about what has transpired. I believe your sad saga may qualify as mail fraud, which is under the jurisdiction of the FBI. I bet Aaron would wake up if the Feds turned up at his door.

But I don't think one of his guys dropping stuff in front of my house constitutes mail.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

there's some kind of interstate commerce as he is registered in Delaware and you are not.

[steve B]

My one experience consigning to an auction house wouldn't be of any help. The overall dollar amount was more like 2-300 per auction.

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by CJDave

But I don't think one of his guys dropping stuff in front of my house constitutes mail.

Yes, but presumably you used the USPS or a private carrier to send your consignments to CU, so the mail has been involved. This is the most egregious case of dealer incompetence/ fraud since Mastro.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Yes, but presumably you used the USPS or a private carrier to send your consignments to CU, so the mail has been involved. This is the most egregious case of dealer incompetence/ fraud since Mastro.

I would say since PSA/PWCC. Mastro was eons ago.

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I would say since PSA/PWCC. Mastro was eons ago.

It may seem eons ago to you, but if you had been a major consignor to him and lost a significant amount of money in the process, you might feel differently. But I do agree that PWCC/PSA ranks right up there.

[CJDave]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Yes, but presumably you used the USPS or a private carrier to send your consignments to CU, so the mail has been involved. This is the most egregious case of dealer incompetence/ fraud since Mastro.

The problem is that he picked up all of the items from me in person. He met me at my office on numerous occasions and we carefully loaded up his minivan 4 or 5+ times.....checking off each item as we loaded them.

So USPS was not involved.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

We pay within 14 business days and I don't think you'll find an auction house smaller than us. Occasionally we have been late by a day or two, but more often we're early. If we haven't paid we normally give a status update around day 10.

Any of the guys who've consigned with me want to verify that? Pretty sure I've lived up to those standards.

Verified/confirmed