Help - Sweet Cap 460 factory 25s - SERIFS!

[Luke]

I save all my scans so I should have a couple dozen or so. I'll email them to you.

[t206fix]

Thanks Chris, Steve, Pat...

Can anyone provide a color coding to the chart - very interesting...

I find that there are some 350/460.25s that are super abundant... O'Leary, Doyle Batting, Reulbach, Dougherty... and some not so much.

460 only 25s are tougher than the 350/460s, but some are super tough. I wonder if this is a function of the sheet groups that you guys pointed out. I would like to delve into it a little more.

Another question, why sheets of 34? What would that look like? I know there are some threads about sheet size, but haven't read them in awhile. Maybe I'll go research them, unless you guys have links.

Thanks for the scans, Pat. Did you find anymore of Merkle?

[Pat R]

I only found one Merkle Tony but I only found six different SC350/460 factory
25's images.

Here's the one I found is it the same one you have on your list?

Merkle Back.jpg
Merkle.jpg

[t206fix]

Originally Posted by Pat R

I only found one Merkle Tony but I only found six different SC350/460 factory
25's images.

Here's the one I found is it the same one you have on your list?

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Haven't revisited this thread in awhile...

Here is the one that I have - that means only two seen so far... anyone else own or have a scan of a Merkle SERIF? The others seem to be quite common except this Merkle. But I think in general, the Merkle is one of the tougher 460.25s to find.

[dougscats]

If you'r keeping stats, Tony, I've got Griffith, Overall, and Lake.

[frankbmd]

Que serif, serie
Whatever the font will be
On only the back we’ll see
Que serif, serie

Credit: The Man Who Knew Too Much
& the lovely Doris Day

[steve B]

Sheet size is probably going to be one of the most difficult things to figure put, and one of the most rewarding once it is.

There are basically sort of two camps, one that believes solidly in sheets being multiples of 12 subjects. * The other basing things on 17/34 subjects.

When you look at the set as a single unit, there are solid arguments for both.
The traditional 150 only cards are pretty much a group of 12.
48 southern leaguers for OM and Piedmont.

AH! BUT

Hindu Southern league...34

And many other groups that are 17 or 34 cards.


Then there are the heretics like me that say it's nowhere near that simple...

Depending on how you interpret a particular gap, some of what Pat has found with the plate scratches leads me to consider a sheet 34 or more cards wide, by some unknown number tall. (we know almost certainly that each column was the same player. Some sheets had a change to a different player at some point on the sheet)
Figuring printing time based on number of colors and the sheets/minute of most old presses would seem to indicate not only multiple different sheets simultaneously, but larger sheets as well.

I think that the same stack of fronts getting different backs is almost if not already proven.
But it's entirely possible that some of the less common brands had their own sheets with fewer subjects.

The Pop report breakdown of the chart Chris did lined up very well, maybe 4 cards seemed potentially out of place. (across almost all groups HOF and high demand cards seem to be graded about 2x as often as commons. The exceptions being the rare backs where there just aren't enough cards to tell. )

[steve B]

Darn, left out a bit.

Just definitions of how I call some stuff, which is based on stamp stuff.

Subject- a particular card like a player portrait vs non- portrait.

Position - the single location on a sheet. Like row 5 card 3. (In stamps where the sheet size is usually known, the positions are numbered from 1 at the top left to however many across then for a 10 column sheet 11 just below 1 in the first column.