Would you buy from PWCC?

perezfan · #1 10-21-2020, 10:58 AM

Their "forced" refunds are one drop in a swimming pool of corruption.

If Mastro refunded the difference between the shilled price and the actual bid price of the card (on roughly 1% of their fraudulent transactions- only when they were caught) do you think they would get a free pass and avoid jail time?

I can't understand why people are so quick to give PWCC a pass, unless they are naive to the situation and facts.

Exhibitman · #2 10-21-2020, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

I can't understand why people are so quick to give PWCC a pass, unless they are naive to the situation and facts.

it isn't naivete; they just don't care. Many collectors would deal with the devil himself if he had the cards they need. Look, if you go to a show and buy a card you have no idea whether the dealer selling it raped a teenage girl, used a fake charity to defraud seniors, beat up his wife, is a die-hard racist, etc. (all real examples of things dealers at the National have done, BTW) and you don't condition the purchase on a background check of the guy. People extend that same logic to online sellers. As long as the seller is 'honest' (defined as will get you the card you bought for the price you paid) no one cares about the rest until the FBI takes them down, which is when those same people ask "what took you so long?"

Not condoning, just explaining...

AGuinness · #3 10-21-2020, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

it isn't naivete; they just don't care. Many collectors would deal with the devil himself if he had the cards they need. Look, if you go to a show and buy a card you have no idea whether the dealer selling it raped a teenage girl, used a fake charity to defraud seniors, beat up his wife, is a die-hard racist, etc. (all real examples of things dealers at the National have done, BTW) and you don't condition the purchase on a background check of the guy. People extend that same logic to online sellers. As long as the seller is 'honest' (defined as will get you the card you bought for the price you paid) no one cares about the rest until the FBI takes them down, which is when those same people ask "what took you so long?"

Not condoning, just explaining...

I see what you're saying, although in this case, many/most/a number of people DO know what PWCC has done and how the company is run. And if I were at a card show and knew which dealers had done what your examples have done, I'd surely not spend a cent with them. I've been faced with learning about some financial misdeeds (not nearly as bad as the ones you list) by a dealer I used to frequent at a local card show and I don't even visit his table any more.

Johnny630 · #4 10-21-2020, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

it isn't naivete; they just don't care. Many collectors would deal with the devil himself if he had the cards they need. Look, if you go to a show and buy a card you have no idea whether the dealer selling it raped a teenage girl, used a fake charity to defraud seniors, beat up his wife, is a die-hard racist, etc. (all real examples of things dealers at the National have done, BTW) and you don't condition the purchase on a background check of the guy. People extend that same logic to online sellers. As long as the seller is 'honest' (defined as will get you the card you bought for the price you paid) no one cares about the rest until the FBI takes them down, which is when those same people ask "what took you so long?"

Not condoning, just explaining...

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perezfan · #5 10-21-2020, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

it isn't naivete; they just don't care. Many collectors would deal with the devil himself if he had the cards they need. Look, if you go to a show and buy a card you have no idea whether the dealer selling it raped a teenage girl, used a fake charity to defraud seniors, beat up his wife, is a die-hard racist, etc. (all real examples of things dealers at the National have done, BTW) and you don't condition the purchase on a background check of the guy. People extend that same logic to online sellers. As long as the seller is 'honest' (defined as will get you the card you bought for the price you paid) no one cares about the rest until the FBI takes them down, which is when those same people ask "what took you so long?"

Not condoning, just explaining...

I get all of that and well said, Adam...

But I still think there are a large number of "eBayers" who are not clued in to much of the ongoing corruption. A relatively small percentage even frequent these forums, and I would bet that as many as half of PWCC's clientele are unaware of how deep the criminality runs.

I'm well aware of those collectors of which "stuff trumps all". Still, there are a bunch out there who still have no idea what PWCC is all about.

Rich Klein · #6 10-21-2020, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

it isn't naivete; they just don't care. Many collectors would deal with the devil himself if he had the cards they need. Look, if you go to a show and buy a card you have no idea whether the dealer selling it raped a teenage girl, used a fake charity to defraud seniors, beat up his wife, is a die-hard racist, etc. (all real examples of things dealers at the National have done, BTW) and you don't condition the purchase on a background check of the guy. People extend that same logic to online sellers. As long as the seller is 'honest' (defined as will get you the card you bought for the price you paid) no one cares about the rest until the FBI takes them down, which is when those same people ask "what took you so long?"

Not condoning, just explaining...

And if you don't think Adam is correct, I can assure you many of the dealers in the NY/NJ area I dealt with in the 1980's had, let us say, colorful backgrounds. Adam did not even mention charges with transporting stolen merchandise or yelling at his parents. etc. You don't ask every show dealer their background.

perezfan · #7 10-21-2020, 06:56 PM

Yep, for whatever reason, this hobby always seems to attract many "charming" personalities and upstanding characters.

Johnny630 · #8 10-22-2020, 06:54 AM

If we ran criminal background checks or warrant checks prior to the National Each Year it would be very interesting. Hey Let's Hold the National at San Quentin. I'm just teasing most people don't care or want to think about who they're dealing with they just want to have fun and buy cards. Which is totally cool :-)

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