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1979 Gretzky's PSA 10
Looks like the OPC and Topps 1979 Gretzky PSA 10's will be coming up in the Heritage auction starting in mid November. Any guesses at the final prices.
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still odd to me that the OPC 10 can look so crusty on the edges. i know that's how their stock looks but for over $1M purchase, that would irk me. still a sick card and i'd love to get even a 3 or a 4.
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I am real curious what it sells for as well but if I had to guess, I'd say around the same or just slightly higher? I know Gretzky RC's have taken off like crazy lately but I'm not sure when it comes to a high grade like this one, if the same money will be spent or not? The famous OPC wire cut. Personally, being a CDN, I only purchase OPC cards if I can help it. There is just something nostalgic about them that I prefer, plus when you know that far fewer OPC copies were produced than Topps, it makes them all that more appealing as well, imo.
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Gentlemen ... gentlemen ...
These 79' OPC cards were not cut with wires! They were cut using a slitter machine - and a very old one! Ten sheets were inserted at a time and the ones at the bottom got the roughest edges. |
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I'd be suspicious of one WITHOUT a rough cut.
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Interesting. Always heard wires and when they were dull you got rough cut.
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Was always told wire, and possibly an aircraft type quality wire.
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I have pictures of the employees putting sheets through the slitter machine. I have lots of other pictures of the O-Pee-Chee plant as well. I can tell you right now that there were no aircraft wires in there.
And no, I cannot post these pictures on a public forum. They were sent to me by a Canadian researcher and he wouldn't be pleased if I did this. |
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The OPC last sold in 2016 for $465K. The Topps last sold a few months later in 2016 for $201K. Both are pop 2 in PSA 10 grade. Think about how much the card market has grown since then. I think the OPC sells for $1-2M minimum. It could go for $2M plus with buyer premium. I think the Topps goes for 40-50% of the cost of the OPC card. In 2016 the Topps sold for 43% of the OPC. I am looking to acquire an OPC in a PSA 9 grade as there are 89 of them and I think they will jump after the PSA 10 sale because they are the highest grade that are somewhat attainable.
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The OPC 10 was on eBay for months and months at 1 Mil and no sale.
It will be interesting to see if the different venue brings out bigger money. Looking forward to following these two. |
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Agree with EJKaufman, maybe around 2 million for the OPC and somewhere in the 750 k to 1 million range for the Topps |
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I don't agree with this guy. He stated that the GOAT in football can always be debated. For example, some say it's Brady, others say it is Barry Sanders, others say Elway, etc. But in hockey, according to him, there is no debate. Now first of all, how can anyone compare a QB to a WR or a RB? It just wouldn't make sense to say that Jim Brown will always be better than Tom Brady. I think the same thing can be said about hockey. Yes, Gretzky is the greatest forward of all-time. However, the greatest d-man will always be Bobby Orr. And the greatest goalie? Now that would make an interesting debate! Last edited by samosa4u; 10-28-2020 at 09:16 AM. Reason: Spelling |
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goalies
Here's one list anyhow. I am guessing Hasek tops more lists than anyone else.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...es-of-all-time
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Just a common sense argument for me. Played at the highest level on offense AND defense. Pretty much a no brainier for me.
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Needless to say, both are 2 of the best and they are incredible on and off the ice. |
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ONE of the greatest all-time, of course, the absolute best though? I don't think so... |
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[QUOTE=Huysmans;2030198]I would say that is definitely not the general consensus among the hockey cognoscenti. Comparing goaltenders of past generations is difficult, and considering Hasek played in an era dominated by two better netminders in both Patrick Roy and Martin Brodeur, I don't think the appellation of greatest of all time could possibly be bestowed when he wasn't even the best of his generation.
Hasek beats both in career save %, GAA and total Vezinas (6 to Brodeurs 4 and Roy's 3 ). All this while a rookie at 26 yrs. old. Pretty solid case. Even won a couple of Hart's. |
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I would bet Hasek is on top of more lists than any other goalie, which is all I said.
Here's another. https://www.thetoptens.com/best-ice-hockey-goalies/
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Brodeur is the only goaltender in history with eight 40-win seasons, while Roy is the only goaltender to win a trio of Conn Smythe trophies - arguably the most prestigious award in the entire sport. Additionally, Roy was selected as the greatest goaltender in NHL history by a panel of 41 writers, coupled with a simultaneous fan poll in 2004, while Brodeur is the NHL's all-time regular season leader in wins and shutouts. |
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some are more important, from more reputable sources.... https://www.espn.com/nhl/news/story?id=1923345 |
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Hasek had the best nickname.
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You could be right there.
Although... Clint "Praying Benny" Benedict Georges "The Chicoutimi Cucumber" Vezina and Jacques "Jake the Snake" Plante are quite memorable as well. |
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Simple, and obvious. But still...
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I am not from Boston and I agree with Orr as the GOAT. Could the GOAT in baseball be a DH? I would rather have a complete player over a one dimensional one.
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Gretzky is the GOAT in any team sport and it's not even close. I'm so tired of the Bobby Orr guys trying to push their greatest of all time agenda. Yes, he was spectacular...for 6 years. Gretzky checks every damn box when it comes to greatness. Regular season records. Career records. Championships. Making his teammates better. People like to say he wasn't great on defense. Guess what - he wasn't paid to play defense!!!
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For what it's worth,Lemieux could do everything Gretzky could. An added bonus was he was bigger. Also extra points for playing in the more physical Patrick Division vs the Smythe Division.
Who's ready to discuss 80s hockey? Let's go, boys... |
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I think the Hull/Lemieux arguments are crazy, but I always like to listen to what other people have to say. Gretzky is the most dominant athlete in any sport.. Ever. I don't want to hear about golf, i am talking sports.
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everyone on his line was an all-star. true. but another thing Gretzky is the all-time leader in is short-handed goals- and again its not close. So he was dominant with only 1/2 of those all-stars.
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[QUOTE=Wid_Conroy;2030711]i keep seeing these GOAT arguments around competition for Gretzky. To me it's not even a discussion. Gretzky shattered the points and assists records by such a long-shot that his goal breaking records are an afterthought, and often overlooked. He has more career assists than any other player has total points! Think about that. On top of this, he is also the greatest goal scorer. What more are you looking for, lol.
I guess we see a GOAT in different ways. You see the GOAT as someone who scored the most points. I see a GOAT as someone who does EVERYTHING. Orr is the only player in the history of the sport who was the best defenseman and offensive player of the year. What are you going to say if Ovechkin breaks his goal record? He has a legit shot. |
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Don knows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8lNMMLZn-E
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I said Orr was spectacular for 6 years. Do you really think he was amazing in 1966, 1967 and 1968 when he scored 41, 31 and 64 points? So that leaves 1969-1974. An other-worldly run for a defenseman, for sure, but 6 spectacular years is not nearly enough for a player to be considered the GOAT.
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wrt to Ovechkin, back to my original point.... Gretzky produced so many total points, that his goal-scoring is actually overlooked. it was an afterthought. It's almost if he effortlessly became the greatest goal scorer this game as ever seen. If he ends up 2nd all time in goals, It won't make a difference.
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The GOAT designation is overused and pretty ridiculous when considering changes to professional sports over the decades. Orr was a monster and the very best of his generation. But how would you honestly compare him to an Erik Karlsson or Nicklas Lidstrom? What about Gretzky or Crosby? Richard or Jagr? Its nonsensical. Way too many variables. These decisions come down to emotion, bias, and our own experience with the game. GOTT makes a lot more sense to me. Records are records, but they don't tell the whole story.
Back on topic, both of those 10s are well off-center. The OPC especially has me scratching my head.
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It's only one opinion, but I heard an interview with Gordie Howe who was asked the inevitable question, if you could pick one player to start a team, would it be Orr or Gretzky? He said Orr.
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I wonder what Gordie would say today? Orr or McDavid? Its a very different game now. Orr was a generational talent that transformed the position.
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old timers are typically bitter, and biased against newer players. Just like in basketball, when Jordan arrived there were those types who would claim they would build a team around Wilt or Russell.
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Hockey GOAT?
How about Killer Carlson for GOAT? I'll see myself out now
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Valid point and a true contender for GOAT as well, imo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu3tvR30n1g
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I don't think that was the case at all with Howe, he had only the highest praise for Gretzky, but wanted to start his dream team with Orr on defense.
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