"PSA Guarantee" - What would you do?

[oldeboo]

Here's the widely produced reprint. I'm curious to see what the back looks like. Almost seems like they took a reprint, then chopped off where it says reprint, and PSA couldn't detect it. No wonder it got such a high grade!

If you look closely at your PSA 8 the text even matches the reprint. It seems that it is different text than your original ungraded card. As swarmee mentioned, the cropping is off too. Unless there are two variations, it looks almost certainly to be a reprint.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by oldeboo

Here's the widely produced reprint. I'm curious to see what the back looks like. Almost seems like they took a reprint, then chopped off where it says reprint, and PSA couldn't detect it. No wonder it got such a high grade!

If you look closely at your PSA 8 the text even matches the reprint. It seems that it is different text than your original ungraded card. As swarmee mentioned, the cropping is off too. Unless there are two variations, it looks almost certainly to be a reprint.

LOL, at least it was a high tech alteration that got by them this time.

[oldeboo]

This helps to show it a little more. Matches up with where it would of been cut. Seems plausible at least. Whenever you buy a card in a PSA holder it's highly advisable to check for commonly available reprints.

What does the jury say?

[oldeboo]

The questionable button and text.

[Exhibitman]

Never be cheated...

[STL1944]

First let me give a shout out thank you to Oldeboo! Fantastic analysis and I think you are spot on! If I ever need a private investigator, I will PM you! Thank you.

I went and measured the card and it measured 5.3cm x 7.5cm. I picked 7-8 other 1947 Tip Tops out of a pile and, sure enough, they all measured 5.7 x 7.6.

I think Oldeboo/Blowout is right on in that this was a reprint that was trimmed to remove the reprint text.

I did some poking around and found out:

1) Turns out I bought the card from... wait for it... wait for it.... PWCC!
2) Interestingly, the only other card that is a PSA 8 is the Yogi Berra rookie card. What are the odds that it did not get the same "hair cut" as well.
3) I did go back and measure all of the PSA 5, 6 & 7's looking for signs of a reprint of trimmed. The good news is that I did not see any that looked strange.


I am going to reach out to PSA and see what they say. I will post updates here.

[Exhibitman]

Send it back to PWCC--they are doing refunds to avoid jail time, allegedly.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Send it back to PWCC--they are doing refunds to avoid jail time, allegedly.

Send it under the guaranty. Enough has been made over this F-up on the boards that PSA will honor their guaranty. They rarely do (they would go bankrupt if they honored all mess ups), but they will honor the high profile, egg-on-face ones.

Never get cheated. Indeed.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by STL1944

First let me give a shout out thank you to Oldeboo! Fantastic analysis and I think you are spot on! If I ever need a private investigator, I will PM you! Thank you.

I went and measured the card and it measured 5.3cm x 7.5cm. I picked 7-8 other 1947 Tip Tops out of a pile and, sure enough, they all measured 5.7 x 7.6.

I think Oldeboo/Blowout is right on in that this was a reprint that was trimmed to remove the reprint text.

I did some poking around and found out:

1) Turns out I bought the card from... wait for it... wait for it.... PWCC!
2) Interestingly, the only other card that is a PSA 8 is the Yogi Berra rookie card. What are the odds that it did not get the same "hair cut" as well.
3) I did go back and measure all of the PSA 5, 6 & 7's looking for signs of a reprint of trimmed. The good news is that I did not see any that looked strange.


I am going to reach out to PSA and see what they say. I will post updates here.

It was bad enough that we have to double check graded cards for alterations - now we have to double-check them to make sure they are real!!

My decision not to do business with PWCC is reinforced!

[scooter729]

As much as they might be guilty of other things, I don't think we should be blaming PWCC for selling this card. If someone consigned this to them or any other auction house, I wouldn't necessarily expect the auction house to do an additional thorough investigation of its own if it's already in a PSA holder. (Of course, I would expect an auction house to catch the '14 CJ reprint, but that's a whole other story....)

Should PWCC give a refund on this, once presented with the evidence? Maybe - hard to say. But I can't blame them for selling this one in the first place....

Scott S@r!@n