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11-07-2020, 10:02 PM
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Kevin sent me an email, we're at least talking again.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
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11-07-2020, 11:52 PM
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Hey Kevin-
congratulations on an incredible display of salesmanship.
 furthermore, thank you for the opportunity (for all of us) to formulate an accurate opinion in regards to your integrity.  seems this has been a particularly bad day for douchebags. 
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11-07-2020, 11:56 PM
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11-08-2020, 05:02 AM
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For the record I have bought from Kevin and even was able to get a bump On a few higher dollar cards. Of course after that happened he pretty much wouldn’t sell me anything else. He is an odd duck. I wish i could say this shocked me but it really didn’t. I don’t think he’d totally stiff someone but I am not surprised by his position here at all. Last edited by glynparson; 11-08-2020 at 05:05 AM. |
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11-08-2020, 10:00 AM
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Is it interesting that Kevin hasn't commented once in this thread in his own defense?
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11-08-2020, 10:13 AM
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+1. The silence is telling
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11-08-2020, 10:34 AM
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obviously being the center of attention in a post like this sucks, especially when you're used to being off center.
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11-08-2020, 05:07 PM
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11-08-2020, 05:11 PM
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Merci
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11-08-2020, 05:15 PM
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11-08-2020, 05:45 PM
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I know you're all interested to see his resolution from Saturday 11/07. So here's the screenshot.
"What approximate difference could there be between a grade of an SGC A versus an SGC 1? $200 maybe? In an effort to try and do the right thing with an unintended misunderstanding, I would be willing to do that...." After I told him I just didn't want to own an altered card last night, he sent me these responses today, 11/08. "Is the card encapsulated?" @ 2:21 PM "So what exactly is the difference between a grade of A or A altered? The grade of A indicates an alteration, no?" @ 2:29 PM "I have just seen your thread on Net54....Was willing to help, I am now not going to do a DAMN thing....." @ 2:32 PM I appreciate Leon's advice in handling this matter. I first asked Kevin for a refund and he said no. I asked Leon and two other members their opinions and all three said he misrepresented the card in his OP. They said press him for a refund. He said no a second time. I then asked Leon if I could present this matter to the Net54 community, and he said that would be fine. So then I posted my thread, and the overall sentiment is that his OP guarantee should be honored. Thanks for all your kind words. I'm not going to cry over spilled milk, so I'm moving on. It looks like all of you enjoyed the locally produced Net54 Soap Opera. Next time, on Days of Our Lives......
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11-09-2020, 11:48 AM
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This guy seems like a real gem to deal with.
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11-09-2020, 12:24 PM
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11-09-2020, 12:45 PM
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Grade/Authenticity
"Authenticity" and "Grade" are two completely different concepts. Authenticity references whether the card is real or not, while grade is an indicator of its relative condition. There can be no such thing as an "authentic grade", even though you do see that phrase used from time to time. The buyer has every expectation of receiving a refund in this situation, in my opinion.
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11-08-2020, 10:42 PM
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I'm wondering if SGC changed the way they identify lower grade stuff.
I always checked off "don't encapsulate if it won't get a number grade" About half the cards that got rejected 2/4? 2/3? were not rejected as alered. One was undersize, another had cuts that were too rough. They wouldn't grade them, so while being just fine, would have come back in an "A" slab, just like the one trimmed on multiple sides would have. So do they now make the distiinction betweenauthentic but too non-standard to get a number and altered? |
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11-08-2020, 10:55 PM
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I was away from the computer this evening. He is gone. And for the record he said he told Tim he would refund him 200 dollars to make it good. I told Kevin if he didn't want to then send me the 200 and I would refund Tim for the card, getting it for a good price. That was the situation. It doesn't really matter his banishment was overdue.
Kevin says above that Tim left something out but it is actually Kevin that left out the 200 dollar refund part. This is a small snippet of the email Kevin sent me. I thought about the 11 years on N54 and I sent Tim an email offering a reduction of $200 to settle any misunderstandings and move on from this. Certainly the difference between an SGC A and SGC 1 should be well within this realm. This is more than fair. He has yet to reply, and I'm trying to do the right thing... This is a cut and paste of what I said. How about this? If you are offering a 200 dollar refund I will just have him send me the card. I will refund him the full amount. You PP FF me 200 dollars and we call it even? But the real better thing to do would be to just refund him. But there is a way out if you want it. LL .
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11-08-2020, 11:00 PM
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I have never understood why sellers won't accept returns, when there is a legitimate reason.
Guy sells a card, gets it back for the money the buyer paid him, and that puts him back where he started. Maybe in some cases the seller can make the buyer pay postage both ways, but my point is, accepting a return just puts everything back to before the transaction happened. The seller really loses nothing. |
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11-09-2020, 03:36 PM
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Some of the posters in this thread state they have had smooth transactions with Kevin. I agree, my initial purchase went flawless. I paid, he delivered quickly. Very professional. It just became a different story when I asked for a refund. To me it seemed like a Target purchase: buy a vacuum, vacuum isn't what you expected, you return it with the receipt and get your money back. He was a little upset over the TPG turn-around time, I get that. But turn-around time was not in my control. After he refused refund the first time, I told him this wasn't a deal to turn into Custer's Last Stand. But he must have his reasoning, which he never made clear to either me or Leon.
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11-10-2020, 10:38 AM
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If the card was slabbed SGC would have given a grade of Authentic. There is no grade of Altered. I dont believe I have ever seen a SGC card labeled as Authentic with altered also mentioned, but I could be wrong. The OP didn't check the box to have it slabbed even it is authentic.
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