Buyer Beware: CMIZ5290 board member

Joe Hunter · #1 11-09-2020, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 68Hawk

Kevin clearly screwed the pooch.

However, as a buyer/seller of graded cards for 20 years, those on here judging an Authentic grade as not a 'grade' are incorrect.

A grade refers to an assessment, not a number.

Many many many many times I've been asked what grade a card received that I put in to a TPG. If the card can be holdered, even with an assessment of only 'authentic', that is the grade it received. There is even a column on all the big three TPGers that is for Auth. It is a grade, and sometimes will be considered superior to a 1 2 or 3 if fantastic eye appeal is of value.
This will happen regularly to cards like Old Judges, strip cards, and famously the 52' Topps Mantle.

Kevin is all kinds of wrong because he's a douche and finds the few extra dollars he can make more important than his hobby cred.
However, if this card WOULD grade Authentic because of an alteration like trimming and not meeting minimum size, and the card had indeed been entombed, he would technically be fine.

The first isn't mine...bummer.
The second I've owned for nearly 15 years.

Nope. Directly from the PSA Website:
"Authentication is the process of verifying the originality or genuineness of a trading card. Grading is assessing the quality and condition of a trading card using PSA's 10-point grading scale. Grading can only take place AFTER a trading card has been deemed AUTHENTIC."
I believe other grading companies concur this philosophy.

ullmandds · #2 11-09-2020, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Hunter

Nope. Directly from the PSA Website:
"Authentication is the process of verifying the originality or genuineness of a trading card. Grading is assessing the quality and condition of a trading card using PSA's 10-point grading scale. Grading can only take place AFTER a trading card has been deemed AUTHENTIC."
I believe other grading companies concur this philosophy.

I stand corrected...although all this is is PSA's opinion. I likely have more experience than most of their graders...so my opinion is worth more!!!!

Peter_Spaeth · #3 11-09-2020, 09:55 PM

IMO the technical debates about what "grade" means are beside the point. Selling in this community has advantages such as no fees, and if a buyer isn't happy and requests a return within a reasonable time, a seller who wants to sell in this community should just suck it up and take the card back out of good will. All the more so when the buyer has a good faith belief the card was not what he expected.

bigfanNY · #4 11-09-2020, 10:27 PM

This card did not come back Authentic it came back Altered. Which is not a grade, it is a qualifier. In this case looks like the dreded Altered Stock. Really harsh term for stored in a screwdown that was too tight. In the OP the buyer stated that he would have been fine if it was in a Authentic holder. But, he was not ok with an Authentic with one or more qualifiers.
I am late here but I see this as the issue. If I buy a card that is Guaranteed to grade. I 100% would not accept a card that came back trimmed, or Altered stock or recolored. And I agree with OP seller should have offered refund.
Jonathan

Rich Falvo · #5 11-10-2020, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bigfanNY

This card did not come back Authentic it came back Altered.

I think a lot of people are missing this point.

Personally, I�ve often though of Authentic as grade of less than 1. I�ve had cards in such bad shape that they didn�t deserve a 1 grade, so they were just marked Authentic. But, if I was buying a card that I was told would grade, I�d be expecting a number.

toledo_mudhen · #6 11-10-2020, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich Falvo

I think a lot of people are missing this point.

Personally, I�ve often though of Authentic as grade of less than 1. I�ve had cards in such bad shape that they didn�t deserve a 1 grade, so they were just marked Authentic. But, if I was buying a card that I was told would grade, I�d be expecting a number.

So then it appears there are 2 additional grades - Authentic and Altered

Which is the better "grade" - I would assume Altered or no?

Seven · #7 11-10-2020, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by toledo_mudhen

So then it appears there are 2 additional grades - Authentic and Altered

Which is the better "grade" - I would assume Altered or no?

In my opinion, it's altered. I have a couple of cards that are labeled Altered that were slightly trimmed, The eye appeal on both of them is very strong.

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