Factory cuts vs trimming

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by steve B

With a 1200dpi scan it's possible to measure to just less that 1/1000th of an inch. Add a grid, and you can get even more info, like exactly how much tilt in a diamond cut. I'd have to have a few friends I know do the program, but they assure me it's very easy, if not already a feature on some photo software.

My expectation is that at some point TPG's will go to this, with a significant uptick in grading fees as a result, LOL.

[Johnny630]

In my opinion,This is what a trimmed top edge looks like.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/1961-FLEER-...p2047675.l2557

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

This is what a trimmed top edge looks like.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/1961-FLEER-...p2047675.l2557

That's definitely a tilt or angled cut on the top and bottom borders. But how do you know it's trimmed?

[Johnny630]

I can tell... to me in my opinion flip the card over look at the back top border not normal factory cut. Specifically back above the 8 and over to the edge.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

I can tell... to me in my opinion flip the card over look at the back top border not normal factory cut. Specifically back above the 8 and over to the edge.

Duh. I didn't even look at the back. Yes, I would agree that looks suspect. Jeez, card doctors suck.

[GasHouseGang]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

I can tell... to me in my opinion flip the card over look at the back top border not normal factory cut. Specifically back above the 8 and over to the edge.

Might as well add the pictures from the ebay post in question, since these will disappear after awhile.

[steve B]

Even using very rough methods this one doesn't pass.

Yes, there's some tilted cutting, but the tilt is more on the top than it is on the bottom.

Placing a straightedge admittedly not a "perfect" one but a piece of paper- along the top edge, it appears flat except for the top right corner, which does stick up some.

And that edge seen from the back seems to show an angled cut so some of the inner layers are visible.

Three strikes.....

Or since it's basketball do I have to look for a couple more? Or just call it a couple technicals and it's outta here.

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

Might as well add the pictures from the ebay post in question, since these will disappear after awhile.

Not saying it wasn't trimmed but those 61 Fleers (usually) have a small border on the top of the back, that may explain the strange color difference.

[ASF123]

Another rookie question - and I sincerely appreciate everyone who has taken the time to help educate me on this stuff.

The photo below is from a 64T Aaron/Mays I just received from eBay. It's a great-looking card...but on close inspection, the right edge is slightly curved near the bottom. Thoughts? Again, many thanks.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

In my opinion,This is what a trimmed top edge looks like.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/1961-FLEER-...p2047675.l2557

+1. Sometimes it's difficult to tell and other times no so much.,

There is a reason I collect oversized cards and isn't to make them normal sized

[steve B]

Does PSA have slightly over size holders, like maybe one for e90-1s?

Just going by the fit in the holder it seems normal sized.

[Johnny630]

Pretty Card Leon

[ASF123]

I'm returning to collecting after a long hiatus and have started buying tobacco cards for the first time. I absolutely love them, but this whole trimming thing has made me so paranoid.

I was just looking at a couple recently purchased T205s - I got these from the same eBay seller, who I have no reason at all to suspect of being dishonest, and they are inexpensive commons, so no real incentive to trim.

But...the Kroh is obviously narrower than the Reulbach, and the right edge of the Kroh does look very clean in comparison to the others on both cards. I found an old thread here discussing size variance in the T205s, so it's probably nothing to worry about, but just so I can try to train my eye to spot alterations - what do you guys think?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ASF123

I'm returning to collecting after a long hiatus and have started buying tobacco cards for the first time. I absolutely love them, but this whole trimming thing has made me so paranoid.

I was just looking at a couple recently purchased T205s - I got these from the same eBay seller, who I have no reason at all to suspect of being dishonest, and they are inexpensive commons, so no real incentive to trim.

But...the Kroh is obviously narrower than the Reulbach, and the right edge of the Kroh does look very clean in comparison to the others on both cards. I found an old thread here discussing size variance in the T205s, so it's probably nothing to worry about, but just so I can try to train my eye to spot alterations - what do you guys think?

I don't think either of those cards has been trimmed, from the scans.