Best all time basketball rebounder? (offense and defense)

rats60 · #1 12-05-2020, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cardsagain74

Trent, Wilt made 15 out of 42 shots in that game. I can't understand how you can't see what a good defensive job that is against him. Of course Wilt is going to score at least 34 if he gets that many shots. Many NBA players could if they were asked to score on virtually every possession.

In addition to the 11 rings with the Celts, Russell won two more in high school and two more in college, during the only four years he was a star on those teams. He won everywhere, all the time, regardless of who played with him or against him, except for one year he got hurt in the playoffs (early in their series against St. Louis) and another when everything finally came together for Wilt and Philly for a single season ('66-'67) from beginning to end. Which is what it took to finally beat him.

So from his teen years until he retired, he was the star of his team for 17 seasons. 15 championships, one injury, and just a single season that his opponent bested him on the floor.

Yes, I'll take that guy over anyone. And I don't know what Russell may have said back when he was playing, but there's a recent interview on youtube with him, where he's asked: "if you had to pick one player (as the best), who is it?"

Watch the last 30 seconds below for that (and Russell's answer):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46RutBTe-as&t=1s

Russell had KC Jones with him at USF, an all american and member of the college basketball HOF. You can have Russell, a career 44% shooter. He doesn't win any of those championships if he doesn't have a huge talent advantage on his teams.

cardsagain74 · #2 12-05-2020, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rats60

Russell had KC Jones with him at USF, an all american and member of the college basketball HOF. You can have Russell, a career 44% shooter. He doesn't win any of those championships if he doesn't have a huge talent advantage on his teams.

Of course he wouldn't win any titles. He needed everyone else in high school. He needed KC Jones in college. He needed KC and everyone else in the pros.

It was all a matter of everyone else carrying Russell for 20 years. Not the other way around. That makes perfect sense.

Jones was a pretty awful offensive player, btw. He couldn't throw it in the ocean and was a mediocre passer. Defensively he excelled, but so did Guy Rodgers, who was also considered a far superior passer and playmaker. with Wilt and Philly.

Although point guards were such poor shooters in that era that it's hard to tell if those two were really that great on defense, or if it was just the culture for point guards to not be expected to make many perimeter shots.

And saying "I wouldn't take Russell and his 44% shooting" is like someone saying that they wouldn't take Wilt because of his free throw shooting. You don't use an elite player's only weakness in that argument. It's ridiculous

bobbyw8469 · #3 12-14-2020, 07:33 AM

My vote is for the worm.

ALR-bishop · #4 01-08-2021, 02:33 PM

Just saw a stat for average rebounds per game. Chamberlain and Russel were 1 and 2 with 22.89 and 22.45. Surprisingly # 3 was Bob Pettit at 16.22

howard38 · #5 01-09-2021, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Just saw a stat for average rebounds per game. Chamberlain and Russel were 1 and 2 with 22.89 and 22.45. Surprisingly # 3 was Bob Pettit at 16.22

Maurice Stokes averaged more but played only three seasons.

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