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12-07-2020, 05:39 PM
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Ted, I have a PSA 2 Rossman, you may have traded it to me, but it would have been a number of years ago and I have a poor memory. I know Rossman was still on my wantlist when I was down to about 12 cards about 10 years ago.
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12-08-2020, 01:54 PM
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T206 REFERENCE.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s)
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Hi Rob I traded (or sold) you some 1910 COUPON cards in the past, but not Rossman. It looks like you may have the Rossman listed in the PSA pop report. I haven't checked out the SGC pop report recently, last time I did there were no Rossman cards listed. Therefore, it appears that your Rossman and the one I had are the only 2 that are known. TED Z T206 Reference .
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12-08-2020, 04:38 PM
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T213-1 Rossman's are difficult to find for sure. SGC updated their pop reports recently, and they show one Rossman, graded SGC 1. There is also a T213-1 Rossman in the Burdick Collection at the MET. I learned just recently that he donated a complete set of T213-1's to the museum.
www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/417940
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Want to buy or trade for T213-1 (Bob Rhoades) Other Louisiana issues T216 T215 T214 T213 Etc
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12-08-2020, 07:48 PM
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T206 REFERENCE.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s)
Rob
Besides you and Jefferson Burdick, and it is my understanding that one more collector are the only ones which have completed the 1910 COUPON set. Burdick probably completed his set back in the 1930's - 1940's. It would have been much more easier to do so back then. I have to commend you for having 67 (of the 68) cards in this set. It certainly is not easy assembling this set 110 years after these cards were issued. Here's my favorite 1910 COUPON subject...... Ted Breitenstein (St Louis Browns) pitched a "Perfect" game No-Hitter in his very 1st start in 1891. Ted faced exactly 27 batters. Actually, he did Walk a guy, but a Double-Play followed. Furthermore, at the end of his Major League career (1898), Ted pitched another No-Hitter.   TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists .
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12-09-2020, 12:33 PM
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Thanks, Ted. I think the Fritsch family had or has a set, and a few board members are working on it, or may have completed it raw. I still need to look for Hindu backs so I can make a CHOP back run or two. Here is a T206 Cycle 350 Rhoades that I have. It sort of looks like a Coupon if I look at the back without my glasses. I'm not sure what my favorite subject is, I will think on it.
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12-09-2020, 12:52 PM
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Greminger is high on my list of favorite T213-1's. It was one of the final four on my wantlist.
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12-09-2020, 01:11 PM
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T206 REFERENCE.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 REFERENCE...Reflections, Theories, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
       ....Sweet Caporal ...... Sovereign ......... Piedmont_____The "House" that created these Tobacco cards_____ Sovereign…. American Beauty .…. UZIT [/B]This thread will provide references to major contributions posted on Net54 these past 14 years that have formed a better understanding of "The Monster" [as Bill Heitman so aptly coined his T206 book (circa 1980)]. Let's start with the 2005-2006 publication of Scot Reader's Inside T206 An excellent, very informative, and well written book that inspired many of us Net54ers to post our experiences and theory's regarding the complexities of the T206 series. One of the early and very significant T206 threads was posted in June 2006 by Barry Arnold, titled T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection ? This thread sparked lots of brainstorming among Net54ers regarding T206's. It included surveys; and, various aspects of the T206 series were explored.....resulting in 363 meaningful posts. Furthermore, between many of us Net54ers, this thread was...."the beginning of a beautiful friendship" (to quote Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca). In the Summer of 2006, Bill Brown posted his T206 Super-Set (excel) spreadsheet. Bill received 1000's of inputs from Net54ers for this spreadsheet. It was a great start in the pursuit of what a T206 "master" set would be comprised of....T206 Super-Set Sept 2007, I started a thread titled Joe Doyle NAT'L and it's 11 "cousins"....SURVEY to explore certain PIEDMONT 350 cards that I considered as rare as the Joe Doyle "error" card. I eventually referred to these particular T206's as the Elite 11 Subsequent posts in this thread will expand on theory's regarding the structure of the T206 series and the front/back permutations that have resulted. A fair number of the theory's presented on Net54 (since 2006) have withstood the test of time. Providing accurate lists of which front/back combos were printed. And, which ones are No-Prints. So, stay tuned......many more T206 "oldies but goodies" References and Reflections will be posted here. And, feel free to contribute any meaningful T206 stories, or experiences collecting T206's that you have. __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___________________________________ INDEX Set your user settings to display 50 posts per Page. Then click on the topic of interest, then scan page for Post # noted. Post #1......Introduction....plus Scot Reader's " Inside T206 " book, and 3 significant T206 threads (circa..2006) for starters. Post #2......The beginning of the six "Super-Prints" Post #4......SOVEREIGN phantom "350/460" series (apple green cards) Post #5......350/460 series backs identified Post #8......350/460 series mutually-exclusive cards Post #22.....T206 Plank mystery Post #25.....T206 DRUM's...."A-B-C-D" connection Post #26.....A-B-C-D connection expanded Post #28.....1910 COUPON (T213-1) sub-set Post #30.....Ty Cobb / Ty Cobb back Post #31.....T206 Checklists....plus 1910 COUPON, T215-1 and Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb Posts #33 & 34.....Richard Russell's unique T206 collection Posts #35 - 36 & 38.....Exclusive 12 group (460-only series) Post #39.....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 No Frame subjects = DRUM subjects Posts #44 & 48.....Collecting T206 sets....tell us your story's Post #54.....T206 all-PIEDMONT set Post #65......SOVEREIGN set story Post #69......SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #30 set story Posts #72 & 74......AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 adventure Posts #76 - 77......T206 cards RE-FRONTED (or re-backed)....FAKE's ! Post #93.....T206 "Proofs" Post #96.....UZIT checklist Post #97.....Spring of 1911....T206 era ends....the start of the "Golden era" begins Post #98.....ATC Factory's associated with the White-Bordered cards (1909 - 1911) Posts #101 & 106.....BROAD LEAF 460 checklist Post #107.....Hobby greats....Frank Nagy and Bill Heitman Post #108.....CAROLINA BRIGHTS checklist Post #124.....PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42 checklist Posts #128 - 131.....Why are Connie Mack, Jack Coombs, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Smoky Joe Wood missing in the T206 set ? Posts #134 & 138.....Timeline of the T206 POLAR BEAR cards Post #144.....T206 OLD MILL (Major League series) cards Post #146..... T206 OLD MILL Southern League cards Post #161.....Southern League cards (continued) Post #162.....T206 Southern Leaguers Brown OLD MILL cards Post #171.....The mysterious T206 brown LENOX cards Post #181.....SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #30 backs (w/o Factory #42 overprint) Post #190.....El Principe de Gales T206 cards Post #196.....SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #42 overprint cards Post #198.....Regional source of the Elite 11 cards Posts #201 >> 227.....Show-n-tell us of your favorite T206's Posts #231 >> 248.....Show-n-tell us of your T206 Run(s) Posts #263 >> 276.....T206 color printing errors......let's see some of these interesting T206's Posts #282 >> 294.....The mysterious nature of the Red HINDU cards Posts #302 >> 316.....Show-n-tell us of your MAGIE cards Posts #328 >> 333.....T206 150-only subjects...... Posts #334 >> 346.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Posts #353 >> 358.....PIEDMONT set structure & checklist Posts #360 >> 366.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Post #368.....Reminiscing about T206's in 2005 Post #378.....Remembering Jantz Morey Posts #379 >> 385.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Posts #386 >> 402.....T206 printed sheet structure Posts #405 >> 440.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards Posts #441 >> 450.....Comparable printing patterns of the T206's and T205's Posts #453 >> 467.....Guess the price of a near complete T206 set Posts #469 >> 470.....Guess the selling price of a COMPLETE SOVEREIGN set Posts #471 >> 474.....Guess selling price of a near complete PIEDMONT set Posts #476 >> 479.....Guess selling price of a complete SWEET CAP, F#30 set Posts #481 >> 515.....Show-n-Tell us of your T206 "finds" Posts #516 >> 536....."Bang the DRUM Slowly" while showing us your DRUM cards Posts #537 >> 551.....Guess how many Demmitt & O'Hara St Louis cards exist ? Posts #553 >> 554.....FYI: T206 rosters of the 16 Major League teams Posts #561 >> 570.....FYI: T206 rosters of the 16 Major League teams Posts #571 >> 572.....FYI: 350 Series Minor Leaguer's checklist and trivia Posts #573 >> 573.....T206 Southern League cards illustrated Posts #574 >> 579.....T206 "Monster" obsession ? ....Check-out this one ! Posts #580 >> 597.....Do the T215-1 cards belong in the T206 set ? Posts #598 >> 600.....Any guesses why no CHESTERFIELD or LUCKY STRIKE T-cards ? Posts #601 >> 603.....Any guesses why no CHESTERFIELD or LUCKY STRIKE T-cards ? Posts #605 >> 621.....the TOLSTOI story Posts #622 >> 623.....Meet me at Philly, we can Talk T206's Posts #624 >> 635.....CYCLE 460 checklist Posts #636 >> 650.....The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement Posts #651 >> 664.....The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement Posts #665 >> 669.....UPGRADING T206 cards Posts #671 >> 674.....And then, there are times to down-grade your T206's Posts #675 >> 692.....Black LENOX checklist Posts #693 >> 697.....Check-out Jamie B's multi-brand T206 card Posts #698 >> 700.....Revisting the mysterious Ty Cobb card with TY COBB back Posts #701 >> 713.....Reprising the Ty Cobb / TY COBB card debate Posts #714 >> 726.....CYCLE 350 checklist..... where have all the CYCLE 350 cards gone ? Posts #727 >> 741.....the enigmatic Lajoie (with bat)..... Post your inputs and/or cards Posts #742 >> 750.....The elusive ELITE 11....show them, if you have them Posts #751 >> 760.....The elusive ELITE 11....show them, if you have them Posts #761 >> 800.....How do you collect T206's: Graded or Ungraded ?...show us your cards Posts #801 >> 821.....How do you collect T206's: Graded or Ungraded ?...show us your cards Posts #824 >> 832.....Possible sources of the T206 Wagner cards Posts #833 >> 850.....T206 BLANK-BACKS...if you have them, post them here Posts #851 >> 853.....T206 BLANK-BACKS...if you have them, post them here Posts #854 >> 883.....What backs are your favorite(s), and do you collect runs of them ? Posts #884 >> 900.....Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS Posts #901 >> 916.....Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS Posts #917 >> 944.....MISSION (99%) ACCOMPLISHED American Beauty 460 run. Show your favorite run Posts #945 >> 950.....Red Ink "Twins" > HINDU and SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #42 cards Posts #951 >> 961.....Red Ink "Twins" > HINDU and SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #42 cards Posts #962 >> 984.....Possible sources of the T206 Wagner cards (Re-visited) Posts #985 >> 1000....... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card Posts #1001 >> 1002..... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card Posts #1004 >> 1034.....Reminiscing about your 1st BB card Show where you acquired T206's Posts #1035 >> 1050.....Show T206's with same name on top or different player's name on top Posts #1051 >> 1066.....Show T206's with same name on top or different player's name on top Posts #1068 >> 1070.....Imagine the T206 guys come alive, great read about the 1904 season Posts #1071 >> 1086....."pet peeves" regarding certain T206's...and tell us of your's ? Posts #1087 >> 1100.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s) Posts #1101 >> 1150.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s) Posts #1151 >> 1160.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s) Posts #1161 >> 1193.....ATC's "signature" white-border T-card. Post your favorite Red Cobb Posts #1194 >> 1198.....Questionable action poses on certain T206's. Show us a questionable pose Posts #1199 >> 1200....."You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave" Posts #1201 >> 1207....."You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave" In this thread, I've tried to present some very complex aspects of the Series structure of the T206 set in a style which is understandable to most of the T206 collectors. However, if not clear, don't be shy about asking questions. Post your questions on this thread. Or, email me with your questions.... tedzan11@comcast.net In either event, I will gladly do my best to provide you clear and meaningful answer(s). TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . Last edited by tedzan; 06-09-2021 at 08:46 PM. Reason: Updated INDEX.
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12-09-2020, 06:01 PM
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Rob Greminger is also one of my favorites. But, I haven't had any luck getting his 1910 COUPON card. PSA pop report lists only 1. How many Greminger cards are listed in the SGC pop report data ? --------     TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . Last edited by tedzan; 12-09-2020 at 07:14 PM. Reason: Corrected typo.
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12-12-2020, 07:00 PM
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T206 REFERENCE.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s)
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.     I'm running out of "unique" CARDS to display. So, I will switch to my unique CARS. In post #1087 is my "rare bird", a 1957 T-Bird, which I have enjoyed driving since 1972 when I acquired it from a car mechanic in Breton Woods, NJ. I refer to it as "rare" because I have seen only one other one with Willow Green paint. In 1957, Ford produced approx. 21,000 T-Birds....approx. 200 were Willow Green. My 1960 T-Bird is also Willow Green (just a coincidence). There are many Antique Car Shows here in Pennsylvania and I have attended many of them through out the years yet I have never seen another 1960 Willow Green T-Bird. Perhaps, mine is "unique" here on the East coast. If I were on the West coast, all bets are off    Hey guys.....I have some interesting experiences with these two "American Heavy Metal" machines. If you are interested, I will post one or two of them TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . Last edited by tedzan; 12-24-2020 at 06:39 PM. Reason: Added information.
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12-24-2020, 04:05 PM
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T206 REFERENCE....ATC's "signature" white-border T-card. Post your favorite Red Cobb
And, here we have the red Cobb with the SOVEREIGN 350 back which was printed with "apple green" ink.
.   TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists .
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01-11-2021, 08:09 PM
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T206 REFERENCE....ATC's "signature" white-border T-card. Post your favorite Red Cobb
Some say this Cobb is a T206, and others say not. In any event, it's absolutely a member of the ATC "signature" family.
  Factory #33......Reidsville, NC Circa 1910, ATC introduced this new brand..... the "Ty Cobb" Smoking Tobacco. Here is a vintage postcard of the manufacturing plant.  TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists .
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01-17-2021, 06:40 PM
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T206 REFERENCE.....questionable action poses on certain T206's. Show us a ?-able pose
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  Pictured here are the 6 toughest backs that were printed on the Exclusive 12 cards Depicted on some T206's are action poses which appear to be some what puzzling. For example, one of my favorite T206's, John McGraw (with glove). John's playing career as a player-Manager ended in 1906. This 460-Series card of him was printed and issued in late 1910 >> early 1911 (depending which Tobacco advertisement is on its back). It's kind of strange that he is portrayed with a glove, since he had not been a player for 4 years. Any thoughts why ? Actually, I do have a theory why. This McGraw card is a member of the Exclusive 12 group. It was printed with 13 different backs. His UZIT card (unique) is a relatively new find, which completed my run.  . .      Factory #42.....................Factory #42    . . . .  .  Factory #30 OK guys....there are a few more such enigmatic T206 action poses in the set. Check-them-out, and show-n-tell us about them. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . Last edited by tedzan; 01-17-2021 at 06:49 PM. Reason: Corrected typo.
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01-18-2021, 07:05 PM
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T206 REFERENCE....questionable action poses on certain T206's. Show us a ?-able pose
William "Spike" Shannon from Pennsylvania (Pennsylvanians dominate in the T206 set)
was a Major Leaguer for 5 years (1904 - 1908). Played 10 years in the Minor Leagues. His 350 Series card has been mistaken by some T206 collectors as a "horizontal" card.  There are only 6 cards that were printed with horizontal images. They are in the 150 Series.  TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists .
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