NHL players (post 1970) that do not belong in the hockey Hall Of Fame?

[Jim65]

Mark Howe was a really good player, I have no problem with his HOF election. If Marty Howe made the HOF, it would definitely be on the family name.

[Butch7999]

Mark Howe was a fine one, well worthy of induction regardless of the family name. Incidentally,
his injury wasn't due to the net being anchored, but to its shape -- 'twas the spike formed by the
junction of the two semicircles of the back of the goal that produced the injury, and the injury
caused the shape of the nets to be changed soon thereafter. Now, for your consideration...

Three well-respected defensive forwards of the '70s, '80s, and '90s. Two are honoured in the Hall of Fame.
One, while a decent player, does not belong there. One is borderline, famous mainly on the shoulders of
his teammates' success. One is richly deserving of enshrinement but has never even been deemed worthy
of consideration by the idiot selectors. Guess which is which.

yrs GP __ G _ A_ Pts_ +/-_PIM 20+G 50+P Playoffs GP__G__A_Pts_ +/- _PIM
19 1318_ 260 403 663_ 186 820 _ 5 __ 5 ____ 17_ 231_ 38 55 93 _ 5__ 161
14 1070_ 252 420 672_ 324 201 _ 8 __ 8 ____ 12__ 89_ 17 31 48 _ 5___ 27
16 1160_ 239 262 501_ 201 585 _ 4 __ 0 ____ 16_ 182_ 25 48 73 _ 5__ 151

[howard38]

Originally Posted by Butch7999

Mark Howe was a fine one, well worthy of induction regardless of the family name. Incidentally,
his injury wasn't due to the net being anchored, but to its shape -- 'twas the spike formed by the
junction of the two semicircles of the back of the goal that produced the injury, and the injury
caused the shape of the nets to be changed soon thereafter. Now, for your consideration...

Three well-respected defensive forwards of the '70s, '80s, and '90s. Two are honoured in the Hall of Fame.
One, while a decent player, does not belong there. One is borderline, famous mainly on the shoulders of
his teammates' success. One is richly deserving of enshrinement but has never even been deemed worthy
of consideration by the idiot selectors. Guess which is which.

yrs GP __ G _ A_ Pts_ +/-_PIM 20+G 50+P Playoffs GP__G__A_Pts_ +/- _PIM
19 1318_ 260 403 663_ 186 820 _ 5 __ 5 ____ 17_ 231_ 38 55 93 _ 5__ 161
14 1070_ 252 420 672_ 324 201 _ 8 __ 8 ____ 12__ 89_ 17 31 48 _ 5___ 27
16 1160_ 239 262 501_ 201 585 _ 4 __ 0 ____ 16_ 182_ 25 48 73 _ 5__ 151

The guy who was famous because of his teammates is Bob Gainey. I'd only be guessing at the other two.

[howard38]

As a Ranger fan I always felt that Walt Tkaczuk was a better two way player than Bob Gainey & would be in the hall if the two had switched teams.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by howard38

As a Ranger fan I always felt that Walt Tkaczuk was a better two way player than Bob Gainey & would be in the hall if the two had switched teams.

Shhhh...don't let a Habs fan hear you. I think that entire team is enshrined. Bob Gainey, they'll say, had an award created just for him (Selke). Denis Potvin did say that the only player that made him rush handling the puck was Gainey. I think after one of those Soviet Wings, Red Army series in the late 70s, the Red Army coach went on and on in the Forum saying Gainey was the best defensive forward he ever saw play.

But I digress. I'm with you, I am not a Gainey fan. But those are pretty heady comments from Potvin and the CCCP coach (name escapes me).

You want to talk about overrated, and Howard, you saw his entire career, Guy Carbonneau. I know you are a Ranger fan and that Isles team was probaby kryptonite for you at the time, but if I said, "Howard, choose between Guy Carbonneau or Butch Goring to start your team" are you ever picking Carbonneau? I mean, ever? Butch every time.

Honestly, you could have put Bob Bourne on those Habs teams and he would have been enshrined.

[Jim65]

I remember reading that Craig Ramsey is the last player to go an entire season without committing a single penalty.

[howard38]

Originally Posted by Jim65

I remember reading that Craig Ramsey is the last player to go an entire season without committing a single penalty.

Ahh...that's the non-hall of famer Butch meant. Better offensive player than the other two & on par defensively but like my guy, Tkaczuk, Ramsey never won a Stanley Cup. Strangely, while Gainey was elevated by his teammates, Ramsey seemed to be overshadowed by his (the French Connection line of Martin, Perrault & Robert).

[howard38]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Shhhh...don't let a Habs fan hear you. I think that entire team is enshrined. Bob Gainey, they'll say, had an award created just for him (Selke). Denis Potvin did say that the only player that made him rush handling the puck was Gainey. I think after one of those Soviet Wings, Red Army series in the late 70s, the Red Army coach went on and on in the Forum saying Gainey was the best defensive forward he ever saw play.

But I digress. I'm with you, I am not a Gainey fan. But those are pretty heady comments from Potvin and the CCCP coach (name escapes me).

You want to talk about overrated, and Howard, you saw his entire career, Guy Carbonneau. I know you are a Ranger fan and that Isles team was probaby kryptonite for you at the time, but if I said, "Howard, choose between Guy Carbonneau or Butch Goring to start your team" are you ever picking Carbonneau? I mean, ever? Butch every time.
Honestly, you could have put Bob Bourne on those Habs teams and he would have been enshrined.

Oh yeah, I'm with you on that Kevin. Gainey was a good player but I take comments like Potvin's & the coach with a grain of salt. And you know I hated the Islanders but I always liked Goring & his old timey helmet. Carbonneau must be one of the guys Butch7999 was referring to. Yeah, another good player but overrated.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by howard38

Carbonneau must be one of the guys Butch7999 was referring to. Yeah, another good player but overrated.

I think he was referring to Carboneau, Gainey and Craig Ramsey

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Butch7999

Mark Howe was a fine one, well worthy of induction regardless of the family name. Incidentally,
his injury wasn't due to the net being anchored, but to its shape -- 'twas the spike formed by the
junction of the two semicircles of the back of the goal that produced the injury, and the injury
caused the shape of the nets to be changed soon thereafter. Now, for your consideration...

Three well-respected defensive forwards of the '70s, '80s, and '90s. Two are honoured in the Hall of Fame.
One, while a decent player, does not belong there. One is borderline, famous mainly on the shoulders of
his teammates' success. One is richly deserving of enshrinement but has never even been deemed worthy
of consideration by the idiot selectors. Guess which is which.

yrs GP __ G _ A_ Pts_ +/-_PIM 20+G 50+P Playoffs GP__G__A_Pts_ +/- _PIM
19 1318_ 260 403 663_ 186 820 _ 5 __ 5 ____ 17_ 231_ 38 55 93 _ 5__ 161
14 1070_ 252 420 672_ 324 201 _ 8 __ 8 ____ 12__ 89_ 17 31 48 _ 5___ 27
16 1160_ 239 262 501_ 201 585 _ 4 __ 0 ____ 16_ 182_ 25 48 73 _ 5__ 151

Boom! Nailed Carbonneau...now I go to see who the other two are.