NHL players (post 1970) that do not belong in the hockey Hall Of Fame?

[Butch7999]

Very good, lads. Yes, the stat lines are, in order, top to bottom,
Gainey (HOF despite a minus player in many of his seasons by properly adjusted +/- ),
Ramsay (8 straight 20+ goal campaigns, 8 straight 50+ points, 787 consecutive games played, 0 PIM in 1973-74),
and Carbonneau (HOF -- just, "why"?).
Ramsay was not just on par with anyone else defensively, he was better by miles.
Look again at his +/- totals, noting also that he played 90 to 240 fewer games than
the other two.

Agreed, Tkaczuk was criminally underrated. The team you're on means so much. 1975-79 Canadiens were indeed
probably the greatest team(s) ever, but c'mon, not every guy on those clubs rates as a Hall of Famer.

[Kevin]

“But Chris Nilan scored 20 goals one year skating with Guy Carbonneau!!!” - every Habs fan ever.

[Kevin]

Goring AND Ramsay were definitely better than Carbonneau. Rank these players:

Gainey
Goring
Carbonneau
Ramsay

Who are you picking first?

[howard38]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Goring AND Ramsay were definitely better than Carbonneau. Rank these players:

Gainey
Goring
Carbonneau
Ramsay

Who are you picking first?

Ramsey
Goring
Gainey
Carbonneau

[Shoeless Moe]

Lindros

[irv]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Lindros

I disagree. He was a force out there and averaged 1.23 points per game, or 1.36 with Philly, and only behind Jagr at the time. The only thing missing from his resume is a Stanley Cup but considering how he was a complete player, who had a target on his back who always had to fight but still managed 865 points in 760 games, I think he is more than worthy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-oKfMuqLf0

[aro13]

Just a couple of quick corrections:

I remember reading that Craig Ramsey is the last player to go an entire season without committing a single penalty.

Actually Butch Goring did it in 1980-81. I am not certain if anyone has done it since.

I think after one of those Soviet Wings, Red Army series in the late 70s, the Red Army coach went on and on in the Forum saying Gainey was the best defensive forward he ever saw play.

It was Viktor Tikhonov and his quote was that Gainey was the best player in the world in the technical skills of the game.


There were three dynasties in the 70's and 80's - the Canadians, the Islanders and the Oilers. The Habs have 8 Hall of Famers, the Islanders 5 and the Oilers 7. That seems about right to me, although I think you could argue the Islanders deserve more.

The Habs had Dryden, Lapointe, Savard, Robinson, Lemaire, Shutt, Lafleur and Gainey. Not certain how any of them are not HOFers plus the fact that Lapointe, Savard and Lemaire were elite players before the 4 Cups in a row.

The Islanders had Smith, Potvin, Trottier, Bossy, Gillies. The only other two who might merit consideration would be Ken Morrow and Butch Goring.

The Oilers had Fuhr, Coffey, Lowe, Gretzky, Messier, Kurri and Anderson for 7. Seems about right to me.

Good point about Craig Ramsey. My family had season tickets to the Sabres in the 1970's and while I was not a Sabres fan I enjoyed watching Ramsey and Luce on the ice. I have never thought of him as a Hall of Famer but I never saw Carbonneau as one either.

[strohman99]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Lindros

I'm with you on this on! I know he had a few solid seasons, but he was built up to be one of the all time greats.

Refusing to play for Quebec really turned me off too. Always had the attitude that he was an elite player before he played many games.

Even his best seasons weren't elite when compared to other guys his size in the 90's. I never thought he would get in to the HOF!

[irv]

Originally Posted by strohman99

I'm with you on this on! I know he had a few solid seasons, but he was built up to be one of the all time greats.

Refusing to play for Quebec really turned me off too. Always had the attitude that he was an elite player before he played many games.

Even his best seasons weren't elite when compared to other guys his size in the 90's. I never thought he would get in to the HOF!

His refusal to play for Quebec was based on the owner, Marcel Abut, not the team itself. He said if Marcel Abut was the owner of the Leaf's, he would have refused to play for them as well. As you will see, once the people found out how much of scum bag Marcel was, they welcomed Lindros back with open arms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm1b3_u4c9U

Marcel Abut's charges. Lindros knew about him and his behavior but of course the media didn't mention anything about it because they love a story.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...orced%20kisses.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...peaks-out.html
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...ticle28179183/
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/2...ives-1.3409544

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Goring AND Ramsay were definitely better than Carbonneau. Rank these players:

Gainey
Goring
Carbonneau
Ramsay

Who are you picking first?

It was you that asked the question.