Breaking News - Cleveland Indians

hammertime · #1 12-14-2020, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Case12

The University of Minnesota got it right. The Golden Gophers. Who could complain about a gopher with a cape?

People with buck teeth?

prewarsports · #2 12-14-2020, 11:10 AM

If you study Sockalexis, it is 100% not a myth and completely true, but you have to understand the context to get how the timeline works. It had nothing to do with honoring his death and it drives me crazy when people say "he died in 1913 and the team changed names in 1915, therefore its a myth."

In a short summation, the Cleveland franchise had a buzz when Sockalexis came up that is impossible to understand today. The story of how he got to Cleveland is even better but I wont go there. It was a Lebron in high school thing, or Jeremy "Linsanity" on a national level, but MORE because baseball was the only sport people cared about. Every team wanted him, everyone knew he was the most talented player in the nation (college or pro at the time) and when Cleveland got him, it was a HUGE national event. For that summer of 1896, Cleveland was the center of the baseball world and it was EXCITING. Reporters came from Europe to do stories on him and his exploits were front page news. The team became known as the "Indians" unofficially the entire year. They sold out to packed stadiums with crowds outside trying to "scalp" tickets!

Fast forward twenty years later, they were the "Naps" and then their leader jumped to the Federal League. Cleveland was in a bad spot and wanted to regain something to be proud of, recapture some sort of buzz about the team again. It was at this time they decided to harken back to the "Indians", back when it was fun and exciting to be a Cleveland baseball fan. It was a nod to Sockalexis' time in Cleveland, but not a direct naming of the franchise after him, which is where people get misguided.

nolemmings · #3 12-14-2020, 01:41 PM

Not entirely true. Lajoie did not jump to the Federal League, putting his team in a bad spot. He was traded to the Philadelphia A's after a poor season. The owner was not caught off guard. It is possible and perhaps likely the team remained the Naps out of deference to Lajoie even after his skills had waned, but they had been called by other nicknames after Sockalexis had gone.

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Originally Posted by prewarsports

If you study Sockalexis, it is 100% not a myth and completely true, but you have to understand the context to get how the timeline works. It had nothing to do with honoring his death and it drives me crazy when people say "he died in 1913 and the team changed names in 1915, therefore its a myth."

In a short summation, the Cleveland franchise had a buzz when Sockalexis came up that is impossible to understand today. The story of how he got to Cleveland is even better but I wont go there. It was a Lebron in high school thing, or Jeremy "Linsanity" on a national level, but MORE because baseball was the only sport people cared about. Every team wanted him, everyone knew he was the most talented player in the nation (college or pro at the time) and when Cleveland got him, it was a HUGE national event. For that summer of 1896, Cleveland was the center of the baseball world and it was EXCITING. Reporters came from Europe to do stories on him and his exploits were front page news. The team became known as the "Indians" unofficially the entire year. They sold out to packed stadiums with crowds outside trying to "scalp" tickets!

Fast forward twenty years later, they were the "Naps" and then their leader jumped to the Federal League. Cleveland was in a bad spot and wanted to regain something to be proud of, recapture some sort of buzz about the team again. It was at this time they decided to harken back to the "Indians", back when it was fun and exciting to be a Cleveland baseball fan. It was a nod to Sockalexis' time in Cleveland, but not a direct naming of the franchise after him, which is where people get misguided.

t206fix · #4 12-14-2020, 11:29 AM

Not sure how valid the 90% figure is...

https://www.washingtonian.com/2020/0...redskins-name/

The term Indian is not offensive at all - funny story, I tell my 12yo daughter she is an Indian, she tells me she's Native American.

This shit is offensive, and I'm glad it'll be gone. Call me woke or a social justice warrior, but no Native should ever have to look at this and think in their minds, "Is this what an Indian is? Is this how people see me?" There are many Native kids struggling everyday with their identities, and this needs to stop on all levels. The lack of humanity and empathy is staggering to me in the sake of the inconvenience of changing a sports team mascot.

BCauley · #5 12-14-2020, 11:33 AM

Cleveland Wild Things

brianp-beme · #6 12-14-2020, 11:46 AM

Cleveland Mistake by the Lake

Brian

ASF123 · #7 12-14-2020, 11:52 AM

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The team became known as the "Indians" unofficially the entire year. They sold out to packed stadiums with crowds outside trying to scalp tickets!

Perhaps a poor choice of words at the end there...

Hirbonzig · #8 12-14-2020, 01:40 PM

Throw out the good and bring in the bad like the �Cleveland Rocks�. Cleveland may go through a few name changes to settle on one the remaining fans like.

drcy · #9 12-14-2020, 02:07 PM

My dad went to the University of Minnesota, and I'd tease him about the gopher mascot. "Why couldn't it be something tough, like the Badgers or the Wolverines? Heck, even a woodchuck is bigger."

mouschi · #10 12-14-2020, 10:28 PM

Cleveland Baseball Players

Casey2296 · #11 12-14-2020, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mouschi

Cleveland Baseball Players

With an all time franchise low team batting avg of .225 last year that might be offensive to baseball players.

Ronnie73 · #12 12-14-2020, 11:13 PM

If you look and search deep enough with any topic or name of anything, you will find something that offends the 2020 generation. It doesn't have to even be sports related. It could be the name of a vehicle, or even the name of a power tool. Lately I find it's easier to just accept the fact that I'm wrong and they are right. Kinda like "the customer is always right" even when they are not. It's just more simple to agree lately, and move on and get things done. I know how to do many things. Sometimes these people come around needing something done. Sometimes my amnesia acts up and I forget how to do something. Simple rule in life. Be kind to each other, and others will be kind to you. I know this went a little off track from a team name change, but at some point you won't be able to say anything to anyone without the possibility of offending someone or someone just hearing what you said the wrong way because they are programmed to take everything as a negative remark.

baseball tourist · #13 12-14-2020, 02:48 PM

[The term Indian is not offensive at all [/QUOTE]

It�s not offensive to you perhaps. But if you read the team�s statement, it is clearly so to a number of indigenous people they consider community stakeholders. That is what matters.

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