Hey, pennant guys

bocca001 · #1 01-03-2021, 07:18 PM

I agree, the Tigers pennant looks good.

perezfan · #2 01-03-2021, 08:09 PM

Nice work! Especially for a first attempt.

Definitely improved the appearance. One thing I have noticed (from the few times I've used bleach) is that it can "thin" the felt. It can break down the fibers and compromise the felt, with varying degrees of severity. Sometimes it's not even noticeable, but other times it's a definite bummer.

So if you do attempt the Yankees, please let us see the "after" photos, and let us know how it came out. Taping it vertically to the shower wall and prompt rinsing is definitely the way to go.

andypcl · #3 01-04-2021, 12:22 PM

Hi All,
So I was luckily able to pick up this one albeit with a missing 1/2 inch of the spine. It was hanging for decades in a den and the pennant itself is in fantastic shape with great color. You can see what color of the spine should be where the thumbtack was removed. I didn't really want to mess with it but would you guys try the bleach solution on this spine? Or a little light soap and water?
Thanks!
-Andy

thetahat · #4 01-04-2021, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by andypcl

Hi All,
So I was luckily able to pick up this one albeit with a missing 1/2 inch of the spine. It was hanging for decades in a den and the pennant itself is in fantastic shape with great color. You can see what color of the spine should be where the thumbtack was removed. I didn't really want to mess with it but would you guys try the bleach solution on this spine? Or a little light soap and water?
Thanks!
-Andy

Nooooooooooooooooo! You don�t let bleach come within 100 yards of this beauty. The body of the pennant is in amazing shape with beautiful color. You don�t want to risk making that worse. If I�m you, that goes up in the wall as is, keep away from sunlight because it will fade, maybe even see if you can get UV protective sheets to put over the pennant holder. Incredibly nice pennant!

perezfan · #5 01-04-2021, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by andypcl

Hi All,
So I was luckily able to pick up this one albeit with a missing 1/2 inch of the spine. It was hanging for decades in a den and the pennant itself is in fantastic shape with great color. You can see what color of the spine should be where the thumbtack was removed. I didn't really want to mess with it but would you guys try the bleach solution on this spine? Or a little light soap and water?
Thanks!
-Andy

Amazing pickup Andy! Such an attractive and rare example...

Regarding the spine, I bet the spine would bleach very well, but given the value of the pennant, be sure to tape it off very carefully. You definitely don't want even a single drop of beach to touch that red felt. And I am not sure if bleach bleeding through to the reverse side is a further concern. Perhaps Rob has experience with this, and can chime in.

Another option is a spine "transplant". I have never done this, but know of a forum member here who has done it on occasion (with great results). It would involve using a "donor pennant" with a similar (if not identical) white spine. And a seamstress who can replicate the original stitching.

While I don't advocate for this, it would kill two birds with one stone... the soiled color and missing top portion. The lighter colored tack hole wouldn't bother me on its own at all... the missing top portion of the spine might. A transplant would definitely make the pennant look/display better, but you'd always know the pennant is not all-original.

For that reason, I am with Greg... leave it as-is.

MK · #6 01-04-2021, 03:46 PM

Has anyone ever seen this pennant in full size? I�ve only seen it as a mini.

thetahat · #7 01-04-2021, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MK

Has anyone ever seen this pennant in full size? I’ve only seen it as a mini.

Nope, not me. By the looks of the spine and tassels it looks like it belongs to a series of late 30s mini pennants, most but not all have a player graphic. See pic, it looks like a match. Maybe not the exact same time period but looks like same maker. ... These minis in general were made in a larger size, but closer to 3/4, not full. At least I don’t think so.

andypcl · #8 01-04-2021, 03:46 PM

Thanks for the feedback Mark and Greg! I was gonna play with it a little bit but am now going to let it be as it is.

thetahat · #9 01-04-2021, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

Amazing pickup Andy! Such an attractive and rare example...

Regarding the spine, I bet the spine would bleach very well, but given the value of the pennant, be sure to tape it off very carefully. You definitely don't want even a single drop of beach to touch that red felt. And I am not sure if bleach bleeding through to the reverse side is a further concern. Perhaps Rob has experience with this, and can chime in.

Another option is a spine "transplant". I have never done this, but know of a forum member here who has done it on occasion (with great results). It would involve using a "donor pennant" with a similar (if not identical) white spine. And a seamstress who can replicate the original stitching.

While I don't advocate for this, it would kill two birds with one stone... the soiled color and missing top portion. The lighter colored tack hole wouldn't bother me on its own at all... the missing top portion of the spine might. A transplant would definitely make the pennant look/display better, but you'd always know the pennant is not all-original.

For that reason, I am with Greg... leave it as-is.

This pennant has a very unique spine, it�s not felt and it�s not cloth. I don�t know how to explain it except to say it�s the same as on the 1955 and 1956 World Series pennants, the ones with the Brooklyn cap. Clearly the same (unknown) company, they also made pennants for the 1956 and 1958 NFL Championship games. It almost has a feel like canvas ... No question it would come up snow white... with very careful application (like with a dowel or plastic strip through the spine) it could maybe be improved. It�s just that near the threads, that�s where it gets shaky. The threads will likely get wet and they come in contact with the red. .... A spine transplant will look to a collector like a dog�s head on a cat, because the spine is so unique. Take comfort in knowing that, even with the issue in the upper corner, it is rare enough that it would be considered tolerable by many collectors. Good idea to just let it be. Thanks for sharing pic!

Fballguy · #10 01-04-2021, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by andypcl

Hi All,
So I was luckily able to pick up this one albeit with a missing 1/2 inch of the spine. It was hanging for decades in a den and the pennant itself is in fantastic shape with great color. You can see what color of the spine should be where the thumbtack was removed. I didn't really want to mess with it but would you guys try the bleach solution on this spine? Or a little light soap and water?
Thanks!
-Andy

That's a beauty and way too valuable and rare to mess with in my opinion. The discoloration of the spine doesn't even bother me. To me, this pennant falls into the category of those whose condition takes a back seat to rarity and overall, I think the condition of this one is great anyway. Great pick up!

doug.goodman · #11 01-04-2021, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by andypcl

...I didn't really want to mess with it but would you guys try the bleach solution on this spine? Or a little light soap and water?
Thanks!
-Andy

Wow, what a pennant.

PLEASE don't try to "mess with it".

It's perfect as it is, and would be the high point of my collection if it were mine. Since we missed Christmas, you may be interested to know that my birthday is in April...

Doug "even without bleach, color me jealous" Goodman

ooo-ribay · #12 01-04-2021, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andypcl

Hi All,
So I was luckily able to pick up this one albeit with a missing 1/2 inch of the spine. It was hanging for decades in a den and the pennant itself is in fantastic shape with great color. You can see what color of the spine should be where the thumbtack was removed. I didn't really want to mess with it but would you guys try the bleach solution on this spine? Or a little light soap and water?
Thanks!
-Andy

ARRRRRRRRRGH!!!! One of my Holy Grails!!!!

I'd feel comfortable with a little light soap and water. It might help; it might not. If it were mine, I would probably opt for the "spine transplant."

thetahat · #13 01-04-2021, 07:44 PM

Speaking of Holy Grails ... here�s mine. Hope to get it someday.

Coolest. Pennant. Ever.

ooo-ribay · #14 01-05-2021, 02:43 PM

Bocca alerted me of these patches on ebay. They have the same Giant shown on the late 50's NY and early 60's SF Giants pennants. Do you guys think the patches and pennants would have been made by the same maker? The patches are 4.25"; the pennant shown is 20." As I remember, the batter in the middle and ball at end is typical of some maker but I forget who...

perezfan · #15 01-05-2021, 03:59 PM

That Giants Pennant is circa 1951. The Patches are probably 7-8 years more recent.

Like so many of these logos, it looks like the Giant Mascot lost some of his fine detail through the years. Cool stuff!

Domer05 · #16 01-06-2021, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Bocca alerted me of these patches on ebay. They have the same Giant shown on the late 50's NY and early 60's SF Giants pennants. Do you guys think the patches and pennants would have been made by the same maker? The patches are 4.25"; the pennant shown is 20." As I remember, the batter in the middle and ball at end is typical of some maker but I forget who...

So, apparently, this company offered several variations within this player-in-the-name series: a full length version with a player positioned in the midst of the city's name; and a shorter version--with no such player, due to the shorter length of the pennant.

I've also seen a Brooklyn version that measured 10" in length, also with no player. It was otherwise identical to the full length version of the same Brooklyn pennant from this series.

So, perhaps there were three versions? A 30", a 20", and a 10"?

UKCardGuy · #17 03-15-2021, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

Nice work! Especially for a first attempt.

Definitely improved the appearance. One thing I have noticed (from the few times I've used bleach) is that it can "thin" the felt. It can break down the fibers and compromise the felt, with varying degrees of severity. Sometimes it's not even noticeable, but other times it's a definite bummer.

So if you do attempt the Yankees, please let us see the "after" photos, and let us know how it came out. Taping it vertically to the shower wall and prompt rinsing is definitely the way to go.

Well it turns out that my Yankees pennant was lost in transit. I got my money back but I'm still a bit bummed. I was looking forward to another bleaching attempt. Hey ho.

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