January pick up thread

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

Nice card. To me, one of the increasingly rare still somewhat underappreciated Mantles. Classic set, and the fire engine red really sets it off. I wonder if this one will soon start to leave the dock price-wise like '53 and '56 Topps have within the past few years...

I think this is the most undervalued of all the mainstream Mantles, based on the relatively small number of them out there.

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[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I think this is the most undervalued of all the mainstream Mantles, based on the relatively small number of them out there.

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It's not particularly rare. But kind of like the '53 Topps. I remember 15-20 years ago, you could get a lower grade '53 Topps Mantle, like a PSA 2 maybe - for $300 or so. Forget about that now. Now a 2 goes for north of $2k. If we continue on the same trend with vintage prices, it's probably just a matter of time before all his 1950's cards explode like that in price. Look at what prewar did. 2-3 years ago you could get a PSA 1 or A Goudey Ruth for a little more than a grand. That's gone up what, 3x? 4x?

Not saying there won't be an interruption to the current market bubble, but very possible that 50's cards are next, and 60's cards after that.

[Gorditadogg]

Actually it is relatively rare for a 60s Mantle. Last I checked there were 206 PSA graded PSA 8 or better. By comparison the 1961 Mantle All Star had 739. Yet the prices between those two cards are pretty close.

I think there are several things that factor in here: '62 Topps is not a popular set, the card itself is pretty plain and Mantle's '62 year was not as impressive as '61. Still based on the low population of the '62 All Star it seems to me to be underpriced.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

Actually it is relatively rare for a 60s Mantle. Last I checked there were 206 PSA graded PSA 8 or better. By comparison the 1961 Mantle All Star had 739. Yet the prices between those two cards are pretty close.

I think there are several things that factor in here: '62 Topps is not a popular set, the card itself is pretty plain and Mantle's '62 year was not as impressive as '61. Still based on the low population of the '62 All Star it seems to me to be underpriced.

I meant simply that it's not a rare card, or difficult high number or anything. Total PSA pop on the '59 Mantle is ~6,800. Maybe the super high grade discrepancy makes it eventually worth a little more? I don't know, I wouldn't be able to afford an 8 or higher. Mine might be a 6.

I used to think that a player's performance on the field for a season had something to do with card values. As such, I once would have discounted both the '59 and '65 Mantles. Nothing could be further from the truth. Anymore the popularity of the set accounts for more, and of course there is no "bad" Mantle card... I'm not a huge fan of the '67 or '69 though...

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

Actually it is relatively rare for a 60s Mantle. Last I checked there were 206 PSA graded PSA 8 or better. By comparison the 1961 Mantle All Star had 739. Yet the prices between those two cards are pretty close.

I think there are several things that factor in here: '62 Topps is not a popular set, the card itself is pretty plain and Mantle's '62 year was not as impressive as '61. Still based on the low population of the '62 All Star it seems to me to be underpriced.

Re-read your post. I'm talking about the '59 Mantle, not sure upon review that you were...

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

Actually it is relatively rare for a 60s Mantle. Last I checked there were 206 PSA graded PSA 8 or better. By comparison the 1961 Mantle All Star had 739. Yet the prices between those two cards are pretty close.

I think there are several things that factor in here: '62 Topps is not a popular set, the card itself is pretty plain and Mantle's '62 year was not as impressive as '61. Still based on the low population of the '62 All Star it seems to me to be underpriced.

The total population is similar. All 1962 Topps cards are harder than 1961 Topps cards in high grade because of the wood borders.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by rats60

The total population is similar. All 1962 Topps cards are harder than 1961 Topps cards in high grade because of the wood borders.

That could be, I don't know what the original print runs were, but for whatever reason there are sure more 61 Mantle All Stars graded than 62s. Look at PSA 6 for example, there are 562 1961s and 494 1962s. But even though there are more 61s the price is still higher, $350 on average compared to $175 for a 62.

Same with the 59 and 60 All Star cards, there are more PSA 6s out there but still the price is higher than the 62s. For the 1959 All Star there are 598 graded PSA 6 and the average price is $260. For the 1960 card there are 791 graded PSA 6 and the average price is $220.

Of all Mantle's All Star cards, the 1962 has the lowest population graded at each grade, yet the prices are also the lowest. Based on the math this card is undervalued.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

That could be, I don't know what the original print runs were, but for whatever reason there are sure more 61 Mantle All Stars graded than 62s.

The '61 Mantle AS isn't as scarce as you would think considering it's a high number, but that is a card that's a huge pain to find centered.

[SWinn]

Finally got a clean version of one of the top 10 underrated of all time. Also now a top 10 favorite of mine!