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01-22-2021, 08:39 PM
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T206 REFERENCE....questionable action poses on certain T206's. Show us a ?-able pose
The "questionable" factor of these 2 cards** is not that they're questionable. But it's damn difficult to find them if you are working on
a run of the Elite 11 group. T206 PIEDMONT 350 cards normally aren't considered to be rare. But all 11 of these guys certainly are.      ** Dahlen (Boston) and ** Spencer are without a doubt the most difficult to find of the Elite 11 group. Here is the timeline of the transitional status of 10 of these players during the time American Lithographic started printing PIEDMONT 350 backs. Bill Dahlen............... Oct 27, 1909....signed by Brooklyn. [this may explain why Dahlen (Boston) was short-printed]. Bob Ewing............... Jan 10, 1910....traded to the Phillies Bob Ganley.............. May 18, 1909....traded to Philadelphia A's Tom Jones............... Aug 20, 1909....traded to Detroit Ed Karger................ June 9, 1909.....sold to St. Paul Saints (American Association) ............................. July 26, 1909....traded to Boston (AL) Vive Lindaman......... July 7, 1909....Major League career ends Carl Lundgren.......... Apr 23, 1909....Major League career ends Germany Schaefer.....Aug 13, 1909....traded to Washington Al Shaw.................. 1910....played with Wichita Jobbers (Western League) Tubby Spencer......... Circa July 1909....after catching 28 games with Boston, he quit them for the season [this may explain why Spencer was short-printed]. ............................. In 1910 he played for the St. Paul Saints (American Association). TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . 
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01-29-2021, 08:41 PM
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T206 REFERENCE...... "You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave"
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
       ... Sweet Caporal ...... Sovereign ......... Piedmont____The "House" that created these Tobacco cards__American Beauty ... Sovereign ....…... UZIT Hey guys, These famous lyrics from the Eagles song "Hotel California" appropriately describe many of us serious T206 collectors. I've been collecting T206's for 40+ years, now. I have had many 1000's of these cards. Currently, my collection remains at 2600+ different T206's. Let us hear from you all about how "hooked" you are collecting them. Tell us your interesting stories, and show some cards if the mood strikes you. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . Last edited by tedzan; 01-29-2021 at 10:26 PM. Reason: Corrected typo.
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01-30-2021, 08:39 PM
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T206 REFERENCE..... "You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave"
Since there haven't been any responses to this new topic which I started this time last nite, here's a friendly bump to the top and we'll see what develops.
In 1980, when Bill Heitman published his famous book, little did I know as I read it, I was metaphorically entering the "Hotel California". I have checked out several times (to other hobby interests) these past 40 years, but have always returned to T206's. As is obvious, having put together 5 near-complete (or complete sets) and numerous sub-sets.  TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists .
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01-30-2021, 08:48 PM
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T206 REFERENCE..... "You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave"
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
. .... Sweet Caporal ...... Sovereign ......... Piedmont___The "House" that created these Tobacco cards___American Beauty ... Sovereign ...….... UZIT This thread will provide references to major contributions posted on Net54 these past 14 years that have formed a better understanding of "The Monster" [as Bill Heitman so aptly coined his T206 book (circa 1980)]. Let's start with the 2005-2006 publication of Scot Reader's Inside T206 An excellent, very informative, and well written book that inspired many of us Net54ers to post our experiences and theory's regarding the complexities of the T206 series. One of the early and very significant T206 threads was posted in June 2006 by Barry Arnold, titled T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection ? This thread sparked lots of brainstorming among Net54ers regarding T206's. It included surveys; and, various aspects of the T206 series were explored.....resulting in 363 meaningful posts. Furthermore, between many of us Net54ers, this thread was...."the beginning of a beautiful friendship" (to quote Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca). In the Summer of 2006, Bill Brown posted his T206 Super-Set (excel) spreadsheet. Bill received 1000's of inputs from Net54ers for this spreadsheet. It was a great start in the pursuit of what a T206 "master" set would be comprised of....T206 Super-Set Sept 2007, I started a thread titled Joe Doyle NAT'L and it's 11 "cousins"....SURVEY to explore certain PIEDMONT 350 cards that I considered as rare as the Joe Doyle "error" card. I eventually referred to these particular T206's as the Elite 11 Subsequent posts in this thread will expand on theory's regarding the structure of the T206 series and the front/back permutations that have resulted. A fair number of the theory's presented on Net54 (since 2006) have withstood the test of time. Providing accurate lists of which front/back combos were printed. And, which ones are No-Prints. So, stay tuned......many more T206 "oldies but goodies" References and Reflections will be posted here. And, feel free to contribute any meaningful T206 stories, or experiences collecting T206's that you have. __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___________________________________ INDEX Set your user settings to display 50 posts per Page. Then click on the topic of interest, then scan page for Post # noted. Post #1......Introduction....plus Scot Reader's " Inside T206 " book, and 3 significant T206 threads (circa..2006) for starters. Post #2......The beginning of the six "Super-Prints" Post #4......SOVEREIGN phantom "350/460" series (apple green cards) Post #5......350/460 series backs identified Post #8......350/460 series mutually-exclusive cards Post #22.....T206 Plank mystery Post #25.....T206 DRUM's...."A-B-C-D" connection Post #26.....A-B-C-D connection expanded Post #28.....1910 COUPON (T213-1) sub-set Post #30.....Ty Cobb / Ty Cobb back Post #31.....T206 Checklists....plus 1910 COUPON, T215-1 and Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb Posts #33 & 34.....Richard Russell's unique T206 collection Posts #35 - 36 & 38.....Exclusive 12 group (460-only series) Post #39.....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 No Frame subjects = DRUM subjects Posts #44 & 48.....Collecting T206 sets....tell us your story's Post #54.....T206 all-PIEDMONT set Post #65......SOVEREIGN set story Post #69......SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #30 set story Posts #72 & 74......AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 adventure Posts #76 - 77......T206 cards RE-FRONTED (or re-backed)....FAKE's ! Post #93.....T206 "Proofs" Post #96.....UZIT checklist Post #97.....Spring of 1911....T206 era ends....the start of the "Golden era" begins Post #98.....ATC Factory's associated with the White-Bordered cards (1909 - 1911) Posts #101 & 106.....BROAD LEAF 460 checklist Post #107.....Hobby greats....Frank Nagy and Bill Heitman Post #108.....CAROLINA BRIGHTS checklist Post #124.....PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42 checklist Posts #128 - 131.....Why are Connie Mack, Jack Coombs, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Smoky Joe Wood missing in the T206 set ? Posts #134 & 138.....Timeline of the T206 POLAR BEAR cards Post #144.....T206 OLD MILL (Major League series) cards Post #146..... T206 OLD MILL Southern League cards Post #161.....Southern League cards (continued) Post #162.....T206 Southern Leaguers Brown OLD MILL cards Post #171.....The mysterious T206 brown LENOX cards Post #181.....SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #30 backs (w/o Factory #42 overprint) Post #190.....El Principe de Gales T206 cards Post #196.....SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #42 overprint cards Post #198.....Regional source of the Elite 11 cards Posts #201 >> 227.....Show-n-tell us of your favorite T206's Posts #231 >> 248.....Show-n-tell us of your T206 Run(s) Posts #263 >> 276.....T206 color printing errors......let's see some of these interesting T206's Posts #282 >> 294.....The mysterious nature of the Red HINDU cards Posts #302 >> 316.....Show-n-tell us of your MAGIE cards Posts #328 >> 333.....T206 150-only subjects...... Posts #334 >> 346.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Posts #353 >> 358.....PIEDMONT set structure & checklist Posts #360 >> 366.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Post #368.....Reminiscing about T206's in 2005 Post #378.....Remembering Jantz Morey Posts #379 >> 385.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Posts #386 >> 402.....T206 printed sheet structure Posts #405 >> 440.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards Posts #441 >> 450.....Comparable printing patterns of the T206's and T205's Posts #453 >> 467.....Guess the price of a near complete T206 set Posts #469 >> 470.....Guess the selling price of a COMPLETE SOVEREIGN set Posts #471 >> 474.....Guess selling price of a near complete PIEDMONT set Posts #476 >> 479.....Guess selling price of a complete SWEET CAP, F#30 set Posts #481 >> 515.....Show-n-Tell us of your T206 "finds" Posts #516 >> 536....."Bang the DRUM Slowly" while showing us your DRUM cards Posts #537 >> 551.....Guess how many Demmitt & O'Hara St Louis cards exist ? Posts #553 >> 554.....FYI: T206 rosters of the 16 Major League teams Posts #561 >> 570.....FYI: T206 rosters of the 16 Major League teams Posts #571 >> 572.....FYI: 350 Series Minor Leaguer's checklist and trivia Posts #573 >> 573.....T206 Southern League cards illustrated Posts #574 >> 579.....T206 "Monster" obsession ? ....Check-out this one ! Posts #580 >> 597.....Do the T215-1 cards belong in the T206 set ? Posts #598 >> 600.....Any guesses why no CHESTERFIELD or LUCKY STRIKE T-cards ? Posts #601 >> 603.....Any guesses why no CHESTERFIELD or LUCKY STRIKE T-cards ? Posts #605 >> 621.....the TOLSTOI story Posts #622 >> 623.....Meet me at Philly, we can Talk T206's Posts #624 >> 635.....CYCLE 460 checklist Posts #636 >> 650.....The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement Posts #651 >> 664.....The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement Posts #665 >> 669.....UPGRADING T206 cards Posts #671 >> 674.....And then, there are times to down-grade your T206's Posts #675 >> 692.....Black LENOX checklist Posts #693 >> 697.....Check-out Jamie B's multi-brand T206 card Posts #698 >> 700.....Revisting the mysterious Ty Cobb card with TY COBB back Posts #701 >> 713.....Reprising the Ty Cobb / TY COBB card debate Posts #714 >> 726.....CYCLE 350 checklist..... where have all the CYCLE 350 cards gone ? Posts #727 >> 741.....the enigmatic Lajoie (with bat)..... Post your inputs and/or cards Posts #742 >> 750.....The elusive ELITE 11....show them, if you have them Posts #751 >> 760.....The elusive ELITE 11....show them, if you have them Posts #761 >> 800.....How do you collect T206's: Graded or Ungraded ?...show us your cards Posts #801 >> 821.....How do you collect T206's: Graded or Ungraded ?...show us your cards Posts #824 >> 832.....Possible sources of the T206 Wagner cards Posts #833 >> 850.....T206 BLANK-BACKS...if you have them, post them here Posts #851 >> 853.....T206 BLANK-BACKS...if you have them, post them here Posts #854 >> 883.....What backs are your favorite(s), and do you collect runs of them ? Posts #884 >> 900.....Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS Posts #901 >> 916.....Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS Posts #917 >> 944.....MISSION (99%) ACCOMPLISHED American Beauty 460 run. Show your favorite run Posts #945 >> 950.....Red Ink "Twins" > HINDU and SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #42 cards Posts #951 >> 961.....Red Ink "Twins" > HINDU and SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #42 cards Posts #962 >> 984.....Possible sources of the T206 Wagner cards (Re-visited) Posts #985 >> 1000....... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card Posts #1001 >> 1002..... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card Posts #1004 >> 1034.....Reminiscing about your 1st BB card Show where you acquired T206's Posts #1035 >> 1050.....Show T206's with same name on top or different player's name on top Posts #1051 >> 1066.....Show T206's with same name on top or different player's name on top Posts #1068 >> 1070.....Imagine the T206 guys come alive, great read about the 1904 season Posts #1071 >> 1086....."pet peeves" regarding certain T206's...and tell us of your's ? Posts #1087 >> 1100.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s) Posts #1101 >> 1150.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s) Posts #1151 >> 1160.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s) Posts #1161 >> 1193.....ATC's "signature" white-border T-card. Post your favorite Red Cobb Posts #1194 >> 1198.....Questionable action poses on certain T206's. Show us a questionable pose Posts #1199 >> 1200....."You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave" Posts #1201 >> 1207....."You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave" Posts #1208 >> 1213.....Revisiting the 150-only Series.....and, let's see your cards Posts #1214 >> 1225.....The "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card survey (Updated) Posts #1226 >> 1237.....The "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card and related subjects Posts #1238 >> 1250....."fat" AMERICAN BEAUTY cards....If you have any, let's see them Posts #1251 >> 1262....."fat" AMERICAN BEAUTY cards....If you have any, let's see them Posts #1263 >> 1281.....T206-like T209 (CONTENTNEA) 1st series....show us your T209 cards Posts #1283 >> 1294.....TRIVIA....Iffy call cost Team the Pennant. Who's the T206 player involved ? ]Posts [/B]#1295 >> 1298.....Interesting similarities between T206 Doyle Nat'L and T207 Hoff In this thread, I've tried to present some very complex aspects of the Series structure of the T206 set in a style which is understandable to most of the T206 collectors. However, if not clear, don't be shy about asking questions. Post your questions on this thread. Or, email me with your questions.... tedzan11@comcast.net In either event, I will gladly do my best to provide you clear and meaningful answer(s). TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . Last edited by tedzan; 09-21-2021 at 08:52 PM. Reason: Updated INDEX.
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02-22-2021, 07:11 PM
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Revisiting the 150-only Series.....and, let's see your cards.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 REFERENCE......Reflections, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
  The five T-brands printed on the backs of the 150-only Series of T206 cards American Lithographic introduced the T206 set during the Spring of 1909 by printing these 12 cards then shipped them to T-Factory's____ .   .   One way to gauge a group of subjects printed in a specific T206 Series is to compare their pop report data. Given normal probability, their numbers will closely coincide with respect to their T206 backs. And, of course the numbers of the HOFer cards in this group will be somewhat higher than the common cards in the group. Here's looking at the bigger picture of the 150-only Series from the perspective of the pop report data...... ** Subjects----HINDU----SOV----SC25----SC30----PIEDMONT Ames ------------ 7 ------- 12 ----- 13 ----- 33 ------- 118 G. Brown ------- 14 ------ 10 ----- 12 ------ 44 ------- 189 M. Brown -------- 8 ------ 15 ----- 13 ------ 51 ------- 269 HOF Burch ------------ 8 ------ 17 ----- 15 ------ 27 ------- 163 Donlin ---------- 10 ------- 9 ------- 9 ------ 55 ------- 178 Doyle ----------- 13 ------- 8 ------ 16 ------ 27 ------ 155 Evers ----------- 11 ------ 10 ------ 15 ------ 47 ------ 222 HOF Pattee ----------- 9 ------- 11 ----- 14 ------ 37 ------- 182 Pelty ------------- 8 ------- 11 ----- 11 ------ 38 ------- 173 Reulbach -------- 9 -------- 9 ------ 9 ------- 30 ------- 170 Schulte --------- 10 ------- 7 ------ 13 ------ 35 ------- 160 Furthermore, I consider Frank Schulte a 150-only subject. My theory is that American Lithographic replaced the vacant Wagner slot in their early press run with the Schulte card.  ** Note..... the above numbers are from PSA pop report data. Comparing this data with the SGC pop report data, the pattern coincides very closely. But, the magnitude of the SGC numbers are slightly lower. I'd say that the cards in the 150-only Series are the toughest T206's to find than T206's in the subsequent series in this set. It would be very interesting to hear of your experiences, comments, and see your cards regarding these 150-only subjects ? I look forward to your responses. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . Last edited by tedzan; 02-23-2021 at 09:35 AM. Reason: Corrected typo.
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02-23-2021, 11:10 AM
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Ames G Brown Burch Probably because at one point I figured I'd go for them alphabetically. A plan I gave up on fairly quickly. I didn't really find those all that difficult. If I remember correctly, Schulte was listed as a 150 only until a single P350 showed up. At the time I was thinking it was an example of the factory using up "leftover" 150 fronts that hadn't had backs printed yet. A few sheets worth wouldn't be noticed in what must have been a large order for cards with Piedmont 350 backs. Of the 12, seven have the plate scratches, (Perhaps more, I haven't updated my list in a while. ) Which I've always thought of as being later production rather than early.
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02-23-2021, 02:08 PM
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02-23-2021, 06:04 PM
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I have been asked about the T206 cards of Mike "Doc" Powers. His cards are found only with 150 backs and brown HINDU.
Mike Powers was the preferred battery mate of Eddie Plank. Unfortunately, on Opening Day of Shibe Park (April 12, 1909) in Philadelphia, Mike Powers was injured on the field. In the hospital, the doctors discovered he had serious intestinal sys- tem problems. Mike passed away 2 weeks later. Powers is a 150/350 series subject. American Lithographic stopped printing his card due to his untimely death; therefore, he was not printed with any 350 series backs. Pat Romolo's (Pat R.) extensive analysis of T206 cards which have printed "scratch" marks on their Piedmont backs reveals that Powers was printed on a sheet with the other 150/350 subjects.  TED Z .
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02-24-2021, 12:43 PM
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02-24-2021, 08:04 PM
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Steve Of course the PIEDMONT 150 and SWEET CAP 150/#30 backs of these cards are not too difficult. However, their HINDU & SOVEREIGN 150 backs are considerably tougher to find for serious T206 back collectors (like me). When I was putting together my all - SOVEREIGN set these 12 subjects with SOVEREIGN backs were not easy to find. Furthermore, I know of two other Net54 members who put together all - SOVEREIGN sets, who had similar difficulties finding these 12 guys. Also, I might add their SWEET CAP 150/#25 cards can be quite tough to find. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . Last edited by tedzan; 02-25-2021 at 07:43 PM. Reason: Corrected typo.
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02-26-2021, 08:30 PM
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T206 REFERENCE...... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card Survey
* * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 Reference, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * *
      ...... Piedmont .......... Sovereign ...... Sweet Caporal___The "House" that created these Tobacco cards___Piedmont #42 ........ Hindu ........... Sovereign Twenty-one new inputs to this Joe Doyle survey since the last post. One of these 21 inputs have this "printer's mark". So far, the results of this 13-year Survey suggests to us that we can expect to find this "printer's mark" on a Joe Doyle card on the average of only ONE out of approx. every 16 cards.  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Printer's mark - -^ UPDATED...... Feb 26, 2021 (395 unique samples) T-brand.............Mark.....No-Mark Piedmont 350........14..........159 Sweet Cap 350.......5...........144 Polar Bear..............4............34 Old Mill..................1.............7 Sovereign 350.........0...........19 Tolstoi....................0.............6 EPDG.....................0.............2 ____________________________ Totals.................. 24 ........ 371 24 - Joe Doyle cards with this printer's mark...... 24/395 = 6.07% TED Z . Last edited by tedzan; 03-02-2021 at 04:41 PM. Reason: Updated Survey.
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02-27-2021, 01:02 PM
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T206 REFERENCE...... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card Survey
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...... Piedmont .......... Sovereign ...... Sweet Caporal___The "House" that created these Tobacco cards___Piedmont #42 ........ Hindu ........... Sovereign Hey Guys, I started this Survey in 2007, and many of you have participated in it. I really appreciate all your inputs. Some inputs posted on my original Net54 thread, while others from Net54 members at the Philly Shows, or at the National Shows. How's about chiming in here with a few more inputs, and please include a scan of your Joe Doyle card. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists .
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03-03-2021, 05:45 PM
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T206 REFERENCE.....the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card and related subjects
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Pat I appreciate your response to this subject. The Elite 11 which you noted with plate scratches, are these scratches only on their PIEDMONT 150 cards, or also on the PIEDMONT 350 versions ? Normally, I would not draw any connection between 150/350 Series cards and 350 Series cards.....such as the Elite 11 group and the Joe Doyle card, respectively. I find it hard, though, to dismiss the repeated coincidences regarding the source between the Elite 11 group and the Joe Doyle N. Y. Nat'L cards. The sources of the Elite 11 subjects are from original finds strictly in the greater Atlanta area. Four documented original finds of the Elite 11 cards have been identified as emanating from Atlanta area. And at least two original finds (perhaps more) of the Joe Doyle Nat'L card are also identified from the Atlanta area. Furthermore, the average of the numbers in the pop reports indicate that the Elite 11 subjects (PIEDMONT 350) and the Joe Doyle N. Y. Nat'L (10- cards) are quite comparable. I cannot believe this is just due to mere coincidence. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists .
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03-03-2021, 07:26 PM
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Ted The plate scratches are on the Piedmont 150 only I haven't found any of the scratches that have continued over to the Piedmont 350's. Ganley and Shaw are on the left side of sheet 1A with Konetchy in between them 0 Sheet 1A.jpg Dahlen is on sheet 2b 0 Sheet 2B.jpg Karger, Lindaman, Mullin, and Schaefer are on sheet 3 with Lindaman in the right of center Mullin, Schaefer, and Karger are on the right end with Tannehill in between Mullin and Schaefer 0 Sheet 3.jpg There are no confirmed scratches for Ewing, Jones, Lundgren or spencer. also the fact that Joe Doyle was printed with a Sovereign 350 apple green back suggests to me that he was initially intended to be a 350/460 subject and the printing of any of his cards including the NAT"L wouldn't have began until long after the piedmont 350's were printed on the elite 11.
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03-03-2021, 09:30 PM
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T206 REFERENCE.....the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card and related subjects
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Those sheets are really great. However, they do not really tell us what the arrangement of the Elite 11 subjects were when American Litho (ALC) subsequently printed the PIEDMONT 350 backs. We do not know for sure how they modified the plates for the 350 print runs. The fact that just 133 (of the 143) subjects of the 150/350 series cards were printed with PIEDMONT 350 backs tells us that ALC did some modifying. Quote:
Consider this.....the Six Super-Prints were also printed on that SOVEREIGN 350 sheet. And, we know for a fact that these 6 subjects were initially printed when ALC first started the 350-only Series. TED Z . Last edited by tedzan; 03-04-2021 at 09:40 AM. Reason: Corrected typo.
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04-06-2021, 07:01 PM
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T206 REFERENCE...... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card Survey
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 ..... Piedmont ......... Sovereign ...... Sweet Caporal___The "House" that created these Tobacco cards___Piedmont #42 ........ Hindu ............ Sovereign Six weeks have transpired since last update of this survey. Eighteen Joe Doyle cards have been added to the survey. None of which have this "Printer's Mark". This ongoing 14-year Survey....https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=87066 indicates that 5.96 % of Doyle's are found with this printer's mark.   - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -^ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Printer's Mark - - - -^ (remnant of "N" in Nat'L) UPDATED...... April 6, 2021 (418 unique samples) T-brand.............Mark.....No-Mark Piedmont 350........15..........173 Sweet Cap 350.......5...........151 Polar Bear..............4............35 Old Mill..................1.............7 Sovereign 350.........0...........19 Tolstoi....................0.............6 EPDG.....................0.............2 ____________________________ Totals.................. 25 ........ 393 25 - Joe Doyle cards with this Printer's Mark...... 25/418 = 5.96 % TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists .
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04-09-2021, 07:30 PM
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T206 REFERENCE......"fat" AMERICAN BEAUTY cards....If you have any, let's see them
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   ........ Piedmont ......... Sovereign ....... Sweet Caporal___The "House" that created these Tobacco cards____POLAR BEAR .......... Hindu ....... American Beauty Seldom seen are AMERICAN BEAUTY (AB) cards that are the standard size T206 dimensions..... 1 1/2" x 2 5/8". If you have any, please show them here. I have never understood why American Lithographic cut the AB cards narrower. The AB cigarette packs were the ATC standard size containing 10 cigarettes. If anyone here has an idea why AB cards were cut narrower, please clue us in.  ------  ------ Of the 122 cards in my T206 collection with AB backs, this Davy Jones measures: 1 15/32" x 2 5/8". The back is perfectly centered, which is quite unusual. The search is on.....for I think I may have more AMERICAN BEAUTY cards that are "fat"  TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . Last edited by tedzan; 04-15-2021 at 03:48 PM. Reason: Corrected typo.
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04-11-2021, 01:46 PM
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T206 REFERENCE....."fat" AMERICAN BEAUTY cards....If you have them , post them here
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........ Piedmont ......... Sovereign ....... Sweet Caporal___The "House" that created these Tobacco cards____POLAR BEAR .......... Hindu ....... American Beauty This kind of stuff may not interest some of you, but it does appeal to my "Engineering mentality" The standard size dimensions of a T206 are.... 1 1/2" x 2 5/8".It appears that American Lithographic cut the AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards consistently narrower than the AB 350 (frame) or AB 350 (no frame) cards. Since, I have never seen a "FAT" AB 460 card. 350-only Series subject  -------  -----------------^---- 1 7/16" -------^------------------------^------------------- 1 3/8" --------------------^ Incidentally, the Davy Jones card depicted above in the prior post is a 350-only Series subject (dimensions are 1 15/32" x 2 5/8") Furthermore, here are a couple "skinny" AB 460's. If anyone on this forum can chime in with a "fat" AB 460 card, I would love to see it.  .  .  TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists .
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01-31-2021, 03:57 PM
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Ted, First, many, many thanks to you for all of the info you've graciously shared in these threads. The many reference threads you did are hands down my first point of reference for anything related to T206s. There are many new people beginning to collect T206s every day (myself included, I've only been at them for 3 years now). But, without people like you sharing this info, us newbies would have no idea as to the significance of the many nuances in the set. I learn something new every time I read these reference threads. Personally, the most fascinating ones to me were the ones related to the Elite 11's. I had no idea of their significance or their rarity until reading this Net54 Reference thread about them. As soon as I did was hooked on finding all of them. It took me about 8 months, and with the help of some fellow Net54 board members, I was able to find all of them in both the P350 and EPDG backs (minus the Schulte P350). I am still constantly on the lookout for them and enjoy upgrading the ones I have when I find a new one. My favorite one is the Lundgren (pictured below) because I found it in a raw partial Cubs team set that I purchased. I had no idea of its condition from the scans in the auction, and was elated when I received it. I also had no idea about the significance of the Super-6 until reading this thread. I was lucky enough to purchase an Evers with Bat-Chicago with a Sovereign 460 back. However, I had no idea of the significance of how rare this back was until much later when I stumbled across it in your thread. Thank you!
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01-31-2021, 08:09 PM
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T206 REFERENCE..... "You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave"
Hi Frank
That's a great story. Thanks for sharing it with us. What is your next T206 adventure ? Thank you for your complimentary words. Needless to say, "The Monster" is a very complex set, and I'm willing to share my theories and experiences which I have gleaned from collecting these tobacco cards the past 40years. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists .
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01-31-2021, 09:55 PM
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Hi Ted,
My main project is working on the monster (522 minus wagner and doyle). I'm almost halfway there, but am really focused on the HOFers right now. I only have 9 or 10 more to go for them. It's fun and I'm enjoying the journey!
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02-01-2021, 08:01 PM
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Hi Frank You are playing the "game" very smartly by concentrating on acquiring the HOFers early. The prices on some of these guys have become ridiculous. I predict you may reach at least the 518 mark by the end of this year (perhaps even sooner). Good Luck to you. I am curious, in the process of putting this set together, do you favor any particular T-brand ? TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists .
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