Hank Arron death was possibly covid 19 vaccine related

[todeen]

Vaccines are not perfect, let us not forget. Even the tried and true ones are not 100% effective, and some shots even come with liability waivers that need to be signed. The COVID vaccine is no different. For a certain percent of the population, there will always be complications. When the rollout began, it was being reported in all countries that people with serious allergies were having more serious reactions to the vaccine than individuals with no allergies.

However, I have two relatives who both died from COVID 10 days after testing positive. My wife's uncle showed the dreaded pattern of recovery before crashing overnight and dying. And my great-aunt came down with COVID pneumonia and never got off 100% oxygen. She told the doctor to unplug the machines and she died 2 hours later.

As others have said, and I reiterate, we're danged if we do and danged if we don't. I will get the vaccine because for me the positives outweigh the negatives.

[Peter_Spaeth]

My best guess is that when all is said and done -- if we can ever know for certain -- we will see that the risk of a serious adverse event is quite low, but not trivial and certainly not zero. Multiplied over millions and millions of people who get the vaccine, that means there are going to be a not insubstantial gross number of issues, although in the aggregate the benefits will dramatically outweigh the risks. I think anyone at this point who is claiming 100 percent safety is irresponsible, but at the same time anyone proclaiming causation when someone dies after having received the vaccine recently is premature and possibly biased. As they say, correlation is not the same as causation.

PS the calculus is not unlike that involved in taking any serious drug.

[earlywynnfan]

"Users on social media have also suggested the COVID-19 vaccine may have played a role in Aaron's death."

I think this is what bothers me about the media, on both sides. "Users on social media have also suggested the COVID-19 vaccine may have played a role in Aaron's death." So now we'll write a column about it. Then it will trend.
Speculation without facts, in today's hyper-polarized world, is dangerous. Take any uncomfortable fact or situation, and make a semi-plausible story to explain it away. With no proof whatsoever, I can pin every bit of bad news on Antifa/Socialists/Qanon. All it takes is a twitter account and a "suggestion."

I am scared for my country.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

"Users on social media have also suggested the COVID-19 vaccine may have played a role in Aaron's death."

I think this is what bothers me about the media, on both sides. "Users on social media have also suggested the COVID-19 vaccine may have played a role in Aaron's death." So now we'll write a column about it. Then it will trend.
Speculation without facts, in today's hyper-polarized world, is dangerous. Take any uncomfortable fact or situation, and make a semi-plausible story to explain it away. With no proof whatsoever, I can pin every bit of bad news on Antifa/Socialists/Qanon. All it takes is a twitter account and a "suggestion."

I am scared for my country.

Goebbels said, "If you tell a big lie often enough, people will believe it's true." Never has that been more apt than these days.

[Seven]

He was 86, how much more life does someone have at that point. Maybe 15 years if you're very lucky. He lived very long, longer than most. I don't think it was the vaccine.

[gustomania]

I guess what your saying who cares if he died Because he’s old that’s ok.....load of crap

It’s quite OK if someone is a little hesitant to get a vaccine and it wouldn’t be the first time a vaccine killed someone

But heh, just call it a hoax or whatever Because these vaccines are PERFECT and could never harm anyone.

Originally Posted by Seven

He was 86, how much more life does someone have at that point. Maybe 15 years if you're very lucky. He lived very long, longer than most. I don't think it was the vaccine.

[irv]

Originally Posted by gustomania

I guess what your saying who cares if he died Because he’s old that’s ok.....load of crap

It’s quite OK if someone is a little hesitant to get a vaccine and it wouldn’t be the first time a vaccine killed someone

But heh, just call it a hoax or whatever Because these vaccines are PERFECT and could never harm anyone.

I bit my tongue as it just boggles my mind how some people think.

I wonder if they'd say the same thing if it were their healthy mother or father who died unexpectedly after getting an injection that was designed to supposedly save/protect them from harm?

[Seven]

Originally Posted by gustomania

I guess what your saying who cares if he died Because he’s old that’s ok.....load of crap

It’s quite OK if someone is a little hesitant to get a vaccine and it wouldn’t be the first time a vaccine killed someone

But heh, just call it a hoax or whatever Because these vaccines are PERFECT and could never harm anyone.

No I'm saying that it was extremely unlikely a vaccine that is being received by the overwhelming majority of the population killed him and that it was more likely natural causes considering his age/health. He was 86, he lived past the average lifespan of an American Male, that is a very long time to be alive, was my point. He was confined to a wheelchair a good portion of the time and suffered from arthritis. Multiple sources have said it was not the vaccine and I happen to trust them. Vaccines aren't perfect, nothing is but it is highly unlikely that it killed him.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/...cine-n1255735y

https://factcheck.afp.com/hall-famer...19-vaccination

https://sports.yahoo.com/no-hank-aar...213700349.html

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Goebbels said, "If you tell a big lie often enough, people will believe it's true." Never has that been more apt than these days.

Reminds me of MSM and what it does to the masses who consume it without fact checking anything.

Man made global warming/climate change immediately comes to mind.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by irv

Reminds me of MSM and what it does to the masses who consume it without fact checking anything.

Man made global warming/climate change immediately comes to mind.

Now you’ve done it. Hopefully Leon locks this thread before Captain TDS shows up.

[irv]

And,,,,, now it sounds like, because the nasal swab wasn't/isn't quite accurate enough because of too many false positives, they want you to bend over instead.


China using anal swabs (with little warning) to test for COVID-19

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/...ude-anal-swabs

China deploys anal swabs to test for COVID-19
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...d-19-1.5283930

China uses anal swabs to test for COVID-19
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/53...t-for-covid-19