1980 Topps Henderson RC PSA 10 PWCC ?

swarmee · #1 02-13-2021, 12:25 PM

Because when a bitcoin is worth $48K and a basketball video clip is worth $30K, and a banana duct-taped to a wall is million dollar art, anything can be worth anything.

dio · #2 02-13-2021, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

Because when a bitcoin is worth $48K and a basketball video clip is worth $30K, and a banana duct-taped to a wall is million dollar art, anything can be worth anything.

except for our labor and salary

bks14sr · #3 02-13-2021, 02:53 PM

It�s going to be a spectacular crash when the bottom drops out. GME/AMC�esque

Kutcher55 · #4 02-13-2021, 04:47 PM

I have a hard time seeing it crash like that. Maybe some of the newer cards, and certainly the PSA 10 "myth" of cards like the Henderson RC, whose pop counts have obviously been artificially held back.

Vintage cards won't suffer this sort of collapse unless the whole economy collapses, as they say, in which case we all have bigger problems.

bks14sr · #5 02-13-2021, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kutcher55

I have a hard time seeing it crash like that. Maybe some of the newer cards, and certainly the PSA 10 "myth" of cards like the Henderson RC, whose pop counts have obviously been artificially held back.

Vintage cards won't suffer this sort of collapse unless the whole economy collapses, as they say, in which case we all have bigger problems.

I don�t feel vintage will be spared in a large correction. The same people pumping modern are also pumping vintage. I don�t think vintage will collapse, but I also don�t think $2k cards will sustain the sudden 10x delta.

Harliduck · #6 02-13-2021, 10:20 PM

This absolutely blows my mind...I opened these cards out of packs for crying out loud. I have two vendor lot "mint" sets...one in a binder and one boxed...I went to check mine after I read on a different thread that there are probably "10s" sitting in closets all over...and realized even though both mine are "minty", they would not be 10s due to centering. So...maybe a 10 is a holy grail...maybe not...either way this auction is absolutely crazy.

maniac_73 · #7 04-16-2021, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kutcher55

I have a hard time seeing it crash like that. Maybe some of the newer cards, and certainly the PSA 10 "myth" of cards like the Henderson RC, whose pop counts have obviously been artificially held back.

Vintage cards won't suffer this sort of collapse unless the whole economy collapses, as they say, in which case we all have bigger problems.

The economy briefly collapsed last year and cards still rose lol

bks14sr · #8 04-16-2021, 11:54 AM

Prices have been correcting on many I�m watching and I don�t see that slowing down. I know I�m personally spending less on cardboard, as I now have a few vacations planned.

Exhibitman · #9 04-16-2021, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bks14sr

Prices have been correcting on many I’m watching and I don’t see that slowing down.

I think you're right on that, esp. postwar mainstream cards in all sports that had big, fast run-ups. Last October and then this January-February seems to have been the high water marks on a lot of cards that had huge runs early in 2020.

Personally, I think it will end up with most vintage cards down from their peaks but well above their starting points, and it will take most of 2021 to shake out.

The real proof that the bubble has popped will be when I actually start winning auctions, because I haven't adjusted my bidding structure on commonplace stuff. In all these auctions recently I've won one (1) item for my personal collection, and it was a one-off PC that I chased after because I have an affinity for Cubs on Catalina Island stuff which very few other people share, I guess. Actually, it is pretty f****ng cool: Hack Wilson and Charlie Grimm at spring training on Catalina Island:

Wrigley used to bring them to SoCal to train since he owned about half the friggin' island. Here is an image of the Cubs doing their best Seven Dwarves imitation on the waterfront in Avalon:

Gabby Hartnett:

bnorth · #10 04-16-2021, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bks14sr

Prices have been correcting on many I�m watching and I don�t see that slowing down. I know I�m personally spending less on cardboard, as I now have a few vacations planned.

+1 Just booked a week on the Oregon coast.

Nothing against cards but very happy to be spending cash on a vacation instead of the hobby.

Casey2296 · #11 02-13-2021, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dio

except for our labor and salary

Your value as a productive member of society has nothing to do with the perceived value of these markets.

Gary Dunaier · #12 02-15-2021, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

a banana duct-taped to a wall is million dollar art

How about a banana label stuck to a $20 bill?

That $20 bill sold for $396,000 less than a month ago.

dio · #13 02-15-2021, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Dunaier

How about a banana label stuck to a $20 bill?

That $20 bill sold for $396,000 less than a month ago.

Not perfect center though.

scmavl · #14 02-16-2021, 08:11 AM

Ended at $180k. Insane.

jchcollins · #15 02-16-2021, 08:34 AM

The controls on what PSA has ostensibly decided can or cannot be a 10 for this particular card are, in a word, absurd. 10's in proportion to 9's are kept artificially low. Watch this if you haven't:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wTMS1dmddc

DanP · #16 02-16-2021, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jchcollins

The controls on what PSA has ostensibly decided can or cannot be a 10 for this particular card are, in a word, absurd. 10's in proportion to 9's are kept artificially low. Watch this if you haven't:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wTMS1dmddc

I have a 9 that I think looks nicer than the PSA 10 at Heritage right now. Look at the top right corner of this card. Is this card trimmed? I�m not good at detecting alterations.

jchcollins · #17 02-16-2021, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DanP

I have a 9 that I think looks nicer than the PSA 10 at Heritage right now. Look at the top right corner of this card. Is this card trimmed? I’m not good at detecting alterations.

The general rule of thumb is to avoid high end cards that are super obviously loose in their holders. Most cards will have a gap somewhere due to the design, but if there are obvious gaps on different borders at the same time, (i.e. not a positioning issue) - then that may be cause for concern. Honestly I didn't even look at this Henderson to see if it's that way. The sad truth is even if it is, that likely would not have mattered in the sale. People are blind to the cards themselves from the light the flips are putting out, and all about the dollar signs right now.

irv · #18 02-16-2021, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jchcollins

The controls on what PSA has ostensibly decided can or cannot be a 10 for this particular card are, in a word, absurd. 10's in proportion to 9's are kept artificially low. Watch this if you haven't:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wTMS1dmddc

I have watched that before and just shook my head. The obvious manipulation/controlling/favoring certain submitters is over the top. Not that I need another excuse, but this is also another reason why I detest PSA.

Are they not, or have been, doing that with UD 89 Griffey RC's as well? I am sure there are others too.

Johnny630 · #19 04-16-2021, 11:09 AM

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...umbnail-071515

$105,000 last night Heritage

Pwcc February $180,000

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