Hey, pennant guys

[perezfan]

More from the mystery maker....

Athletics, Giants, Cubs and possibly the White Sox as well...

[perezfan]

I bet they made this oddball as well...

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I bet they made this oddball as well...

Why oddball, Mark? This was one of two Washington pennants I had on my wall as a youngster in the early 1950s, so always had great affection for it. I should make this a separate post, but is there any significance to read into pennants with a yellow spine that also came in variations with a white spine? Earlier as opposed to later, perhaps? I have found the yellow spines to be noticeably rarer than the white ones, at least when t comes to Washington pennants.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Why oddball, Mark? This was one of two Washington pennants I had on my wall as a youngster in the early 1950s, so always had great affection for it. I should make this a separate post, but is there any significance to read into pennants with a yellow spine that also came in variations with a white spine? Earlier as opposed to later, perhaps? I have found the yellow spines to be noticeably rarer than the white ones, at least when t comes to Washington pennants.

I guess oddball wasn't the right descriptive word. I just meant that the artwork was odd, in comparison to other pennants of the era (most of which featured a friendly or benign mascot like Mr. Red, Uncle Sam or the scruffy Brooklyn Bum). This one depicts an intense in-game scene with sharp angles and more complex, unique artistry. It's no doubt authentic and of the era... just a bit different in appearance than your typical 1940s-50s pennant.

As for the spine color... I think it just came down to what the company had in stock at the time. Safe to say that white and yellow were the predominant colors of the day. But I would surmise that the differing spine colors were just based on the company's existing inventory at the time (and would not read any more into it than that).

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I guess oddball wasn't the right descriptive word. I just meant that the artwork was odd, in comparison to other pennants of the era (most of which featured a friendly or benign mascot like Mr. Red, Uncle Sam or the scruffy Brooklyn Bum). This one depicts an intense in-game scene with sharp angles and more complex, unique artistry. It's no doubt authentic and of the era... just a bit different in appearance than your typical 1940s-50s pennant.

As for the spine color... I think it just came down to what the company had in stock at the time. Safe to say that white and yellow were the predominant colors of the day. But I would surmise that the differing spine colors were just based on the company's existing inventory at the time (and would not read any more into it than that).

This will confuse things a bit

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Why oddball, Mark? This was one of two Washington pennants I had on my wall as a youngster in the early 1950s, so always had great affection for it. I should make this a separate post, but is there any significance to read into pennants with a yellow spine that also came in variations with a white spine? Earlier as opposed to later, perhaps? I have found the yellow spines to be noticeably rarer than the white ones, at least when t comes to Washington pennants.

The cigar smoking Senator and the Nationals pennant were made with white and gold spine, though I actually have more in gold. I’ve only seen the Capitol building pennant with gold spine. (I love the Nationals pennant by the way, it’s a GREAT graphic.)

[thetahat]

Maybe gold was used heavily by Trench because there were hardly any pennants with gold body. Here’s the only Trench one I know of, along with the only white felt one they made. (Of course they made plenty in white cloth.)

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Maybe gold was used heavily by Trench because there were hardly any pennants with gold body. Here’s the only Trench one I know of, along with the only white felt one they made. (Of course they made plenty in white cloth.)

Then which company made these?

https://www.mearsonlineauctions.com/lot-34460.aspx

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...151550-42068.s

[matty39]

My 10th and last. Sorry about the size.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Then which company made these?

https://www.mearsonlineauctions.com/lot-34460.aspx

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...151550-42068.s

Mark the Mears link seems to be dead, the Braves pennant on Heritage screams Ad Flag. Look at the cut ... like an eight year old with his art class scissors! That being said I do recall a white felt Phillies pennant with the TMC trademark. And there is a white Red Sox scroll pennant from the mid 50s. But they are very rare.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by thetahat

The cigar smoking Senator and the Nationals pennant were made with white and gold spine, though I actually have more in gold. I’ve only seen the Capitol building pennant with gold spine. (I love the Nationals pennant by the way, it’s a GREAT graphic.)

Me, too, it was one of two I grew up with on my walls. In my experience in dealing Senators/Nationals stuff, this pennant is much more common with the white spine, maybe something on the order of five white to one yellow, I'd guess. The "Mr. Senator" pennant more even between spines, I'd say, but still more white than yellow. I'm sure you guys know this, but it's cool that Mr. Senator was drawn by Red Auerbach's brother, Zang, who also did the the Celtics leprechaun. The Auerbachs lived in D.C., and I went through school with Red's daughter, Nancy.

[MK]

Originally Posted by perezfan

More from the mystery maker....

Athletics, Giants, Cubs and possibly the White Sox as well...

This Cubs also.

[Domer05]

Anyone think this one may be from the same manufacturer? I know I've seen it before with a split spine; and it's from the same era as the others....

[bocca001]

Following-up on earlier posts from Greg and Mark about much loved and surviving pennants, I finally managed to get a real SF Seals pennant. Been looking for a good number of years, so jumped on this one even though it clearly has some condition issues.

It was certainly much loved by someone and I kind of like it for that (I'm not going to try any cleaning or repairs). Someone wrote player names on the white paint in several places. (Not sure why my uploaded pics always look a bit fuzzy, they don't on my phone/computer).

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Following-up on earlier posts from Greg and Mark about much loved and surviving pennants, I finally managed to get a real SF Seals pennant. Been looking for a good number of years, so jumped on this one even though it clearly has some condition issues.

It was certainly much loved by someone and I kind of like it for that (I'm not going to try any cleaning or repairs). Someone wrote player names on the white paint in several places. (Not sure why my uploaded pics always look a bit fuzzy, they don't on my phone/computer).

I love it Marc! I’m glad the condition issues allowed you to get it at a good price. Any superstar names on there?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Following-up on earlier posts from Greg and Mark about much loved and surviving pennants, I finally managed to get a real SF Seals pennant. Been looking for a good number of years, so jumped on this one even though it clearly has some condition issues.

It was certainly much loved by someone and I kind of like it for that (I'm not going to try any cleaning or repairs). Someone wrote player names on the white paint in several places. (Not sure why my uploaded pics always look a bit fuzzy, they don't on my phone/computer).

Marc, glad you got this ... beautiful rare pennant! Clearly an early Trench.

[erikc21]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Following-up on earlier posts from Greg and Mark about much loved and surviving pennants, I finally managed to get a real SF Seals pennant. Been looking for a good number of years, so jumped on this one even though it clearly has some condition issues.

It was certainly much loved by someone and I kind of like it for that (I'm not going to try any cleaning or repairs). Someone wrote player names on the white paint in several places. (Not sure why my uploaded pics always look a bit fuzzy, they don't on my phone/computer).

That’s a great pennant, Marc. Congrats and glad you got it! The extra ‘love’ makes it more interesting imho.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Anyone think this one may be from the same manufacturer? I know I've seen it before with a split spine; and it's from the same era as the others....

Yes no question. Also fitting in here are these pennants, 1948-50 with a ribbon graphic ... Mark has a beautiful rare Dodgers example.

[erikc21]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Anyone think this one may be from the same manufacturer? I know I've seen it before with a split spine; and it's from the same era as the others....

This is a really basic question, but assuming all these pennants are from the same manufacturer, we don’t know who actually made them?? Do we think it’s a company yet to be identified, or is it these pennants cannot yet be attributed to a known entity? This is probably addressed in previous conversations.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by erikc21

This is a really basic question, but assuming all these pennants are from the same manufacturer, we don’t know who actually made them?? Do we think it’s a company yet to be identified, or is it these pennants cannot yet be attributed to a known entity? This is probably addressed in previous conversations.

I believe it’s one company, not one of ones we know (i.e. not Trench, Ad Flag, Keezer, or WGN) and we have yet to identify it. They are all very similar in material, stitching, size, style, etc. and they seem to have made as many as Trench did.

[bocca001]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I believe it’s one company, not one of ones we know (i.e. not Trench, Ad Flag, Keezer, or WGN) and we have yet to identify it. They are all very similar in material, stitching, size, style, etc. and they seem to have made as many as Trench did.

Because this company made football pennants for so many high schools and colleges, it seems like there would be a catalog somewhere. About a year ago, I looked around for archives of university books stores, but came up with nothing. I worked a bit with some of the library faculty at my university. Their biggest research find was Kyle's Pennant Fever website.

So, Kyle, seriously, you should put it all in a book someday. The info you have collected doesn't exist elsewhere.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Because this company made football pennants for so many high schools and colleges, it seems like there would be a catalog somewhere. About a year ago, I looked around for archives of university books stores, but came up with nothing. I worked a bit with some of the library faculty at my university. Their biggest research find was Kyle's Pennant Fever website.

So, Kyle, seriously, you should put it all in a book someday. The info you have collected doesn't exist elsewhere.

Co-signed. Kyle, your work is amazing. And if you ever undertake this endeavor I’ll help however I can and I’m sure others here would too.

And yes I think this is the company behind all the “straight-arm” football pennants.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Because this company made football pennants for so many high schools and colleges, it seems like there would be a catalog somewhere. About a year ago, I looked around for archives of university books stores, but came up with nothing. I worked a bit with some of the library faculty at my university. Their biggest research find was Kyle's Pennant Fever website.

So, Kyle, seriously, you should put it all in a book someday. The info you have collected doesn't exist elsewhere.

They found my site!? That's awesome

I won't ask you what they thought of it....

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by erikc21

This is a really basic question, but assuming all these pennants are from the same manufacturer, we don’t know who actually made them?? Do we think it’s a company yet to be identified, or is it these pennants cannot yet be attributed to a known entity? This is probably addressed in previous conversations.

I'm not gonna guess who this mystery maker was; but, they had to be HUGE. From what I've seen, in the 1940s, they had to be as active as Trench, perhaps more. They dominated the football and baseball pennant markets; and they did so for both professional and collegiate teams; and, their clients covered the entire nation. I don't believe this company is Trench, ADFLAG, WGN, or Keezer. But I do believe they're a company we will have heard of before (just maybe not realized they made felt pennants?).

I won't say more ... okay fine I will: I have suspected for the past few months that this mystery maker may be one of two companies, both based in New York state: Norsid Mfg. Co., of Yonkers; and Annin & Co. of NYC.

One day we'll no for sure....