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Pat R · #1 02-18-2021, 01:05 PM

Ted,

I'm not saying Schulte doesn't fit in with most of that group I just don't think he replaced Wagner.

Here's the plate scratch sheet they were all on with the exception of Wagner, Plank (I don't consider Plank a 150 only) and Powers.

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and here's the sheet that powers is on

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tedzan · #2 02-18-2021, 01:40 PM

Pat

With all due respect, I cannot accept your 2A sheet as being representative of the 150-only series cards.

Bell, Ferris, Isbell, and Tinker are included on it. These 4 subjects were printed during the 150/350 series press runs.

Sorry, but this sheet arrangement contradicts everything that has been established regarding the T206 Series structure.

TED Z

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Pat R · #3 02-18-2021, 02:31 PM

That's fine Ted you have a right to your opinion but the 150 only subjects
weren't printed at a different time than the 150/350 subjects they were just omitted at some point during the printing process for reasons we will never
know. Powers was printed with a group of 150/350 subjects the plate scratch
sheet shows that as does the SC150/649's.

tedzan · #4 02-18-2021, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat R

Ted,

I'm not saying Schulte doesn't fit in with most of that group I just don't think he replaced Wagner.

Here's the plate scratch sheet they were all on with the exception of Wagner, Plank (I don't consider Plank a 150 only) and Powers.

The Gretzky Wagner and the Charlie Conlon Plank were hand cut from the same PIEDMONT 150 (Factory #25) sheet. This is an undeniable fact which tells us that Plank
was included in the print run of the first 12 subjects of the T206 set.

Like the Wagner card, ATC was forced to remove Plank from their initial 150 Series press runs. Subsequently, ATC issued Plank with SWEET CAP 350, Factory #30 backs.
Factory #30 produced tobacco products shipped to New York and the New England. Factory #25 tobacco products were shipped to Pennsylvania and the Southern states.
My guess is ATC wanted to continue issuing Plank (a very popular Pitcher), so they packed his card in Cigarette packs that were not meant for the Philadelphia market.

You can say what you want, but the Plank card is realistically a 150-only subject.

TED Z

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Pat R · #5 02-19-2021, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan

The Gretzky Wagner and the Charlie Conlon Plank were hand cut from the same PIEDMONT 150 (Factory #25) sheet. This is an undeniable fact which tells us that Plank
was included in the print run of the first 12 subjects of the T206 set.

Like the Wagner card, ATC was forced to remove Plank from their initial 150 Series press runs. Subsequently, ATC issued Plank with SWEET CAP 350, Factory #30 backs.
Factory #30 produced tobacco products shipped to New York and the New England. Factory #25 tobacco products were shipped to Pennsylvania and the Southern states.
My guess is ATC wanted to continue issuing Plank (a very popular Pitcher), so they packed his card in Cigarette packs that were not meant for the Philadelphia market.

You can say what you want, but the Plank card is realistically a 150-only subject.

TED Z

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It has nothing to do with what I say, the definition of only and the
fact that Plank is on a 350 back is the reason he isn't a 150 only subject.

tedzan · #6 02-19-2021, 08:40 PM

Pat

We've an interesting situation here. We agree that Powers was intended to be a 150/350 series subject.
But, his untimely death limited his printing to only the 150 series T-brands.

I say that Plank was initially printed with Wagner and the 10 other 150-only subjects. And, I qualify why
Plank was printed with a few SC 350/30 backs.

You say Plank is not a 150-only subject.

Regarding our opinions.... Rudyard Kipling said it best.... " Never the Twain Shall Meet ".

TED Z

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Pat R · #7 02-20-2021, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan

Pat

We've an interesting situation here. We agree that Powers was intended to be a 150/350 series subject.
But, his untimely death limited his printing to only the 150 series T-brands.

I say that Plank was initially printed with Wagner and the 10 other 150-only subjects. And, I qualify why
Plank was printed with a few SC 350/30 backs.

You say Plank is not a 150-only subject.

Regarding our opinions.... Rudyard Kipling said it best.... " Never the Twain Shall Meet ".

TED Z

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Sounds good Ted, no worries.

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tedzan · #8 06-24-2021, 08:40 PM

Listed here (in brown color) are the T206 subjects which have been confirmed with Brown LENOX backs. These are interleaved with subjects (in black color) that are possible
Brown LENOX candidates.

According to my mutually-exclusive theory regarding the 350/460 Series, I expect that 8 more Brown LENOX cards from this series will eventually be discovered. Additionally
3 more Brown LENOX cards will be discovered from the 460-only Series. My theory has withstood the test of time with respect to the 27 subjects that have been confirmed.

There are 10 remaining possible cards to be found. Take a good close look at your LENOX cards. You may be surprised to find a Brown LENOX hiding in your T206 collection

CONFIRMED......27 Brown LENOX subjects. Additional 10 possible Candidates that eventually may be confirmed with Brown LENOX.

Berger

Bradley (bat)
Burch (fielding)
Chase (trophy)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Jordan (bat)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Latham
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Marquard (pitching)
McQuillan (bat)
Merkle (throwing)

Mullin (bat)

Overall (yellow sky)

Pelty (vertical)

Pfeister (throwing)
Schlei (portrait)

Schlei (batting)
Schaefer (Washington)
Seymour (portrait)

F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)

Steinfeldt (bat)

Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Wagner (bat on right shoulder)

Doc White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)

Willetts
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (portrait-cap)

Wiltse (pitching)

TED Z

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tedzan · #9 08-06-2021, 08:52 PM

I have received several inquiries regarding T206 blank-backs. It's a subject which I have never done any research on, simply because it's such a random phenomena.

However, feel free to post your T206 blank-backs in this thread, and perhaps we will get something going here on this phenomena.

I will start this show with the only blank-backs in my T206 collection.

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TED Z

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