FS: 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson PSA 4.5

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So one bad Leaf we can't blame on Brent LOL. Unless of course he sold it previously.

Which he did, actually.
9/28/2017 $4,000.00 eBay (pwcc_auctions) 401407466019

And according to this, https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1407680 it changed in size after it was purchased for 1K, ungraded and before it was listed by PWCC for 4K.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

I had multiple offers on ebay for around $40k and I've got an offer from a private party of $45k (which the buyer will write up if requested). Best case, PSA re-holders it (if deemed trimmed) and pays me out the difference of $17,500 and $45,000. ($27,500)
Or they can buy it outright at $45k. Steve or Joe if you're reading this...I'll wait by the phone.

[bobbyw8469]

I am still sick I sold my '6' for $2,200....lololol.......Man, I could be sitting on a beach right now.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I am still sick I sold my '6' for $2,200....lololol.......Man, I could be sitting on a beach right now.

LOL. I think we can all point to sales like that. How about selling not one but two PSA 8 Orrs for around 3K each?

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

LOL. I think we can all point to sales like that. How about selling not one but two PSA 8 Orrs for around 3K each?

What are PSA 8's going for now????

[Popcorn]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I am still sick I sold my '6' for $2,200....lololol.......Man, I could be sitting on a beach right now.

Same here lol don’t feel so bad. I still have a few Jackie 48’s but they are a 2 at best. Never sell seems to be he lessons here.

I wish I could post a pic.

[BRoberts]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I am still sick I sold my '6' for $2,200....lololol.......Man, I could be sitting on a beach right now.

So many wish you were on that beach.

[jad22]

I'm am curious how often PSA is determining that the cards have been altered. How often are they disagreeing with the results that have been presented on Blowout?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by jad22

I'm am curious how often PSA is determining that the cards have been altered. How often are they disagreeing with the results that have been presented on Blowout?

A better question might be "How often are they agreeing with the results?"

It depends largely on how damaging the altered card is to PSA's image and reputation. In the case of the perforated Cracker Jack, it was an immediate decision to compensate. But with less obvious cards, you're potentially in for the fight of your life.

[jad22]

Originally Posted by perezfan

A better question might be "How often are they agreeing with the results?"

It depends largely on how damaging the altered card is to PSA's image and reputation. In the case of the perforated Cracker Jack, it was an immediate decision to compensate. But with less obvious cards, you're potentially in for the fight of your life.

Just absurd that the grading company who grades the card then can review it to determine if they still agree with the grade. If not, they will compensate you. They really have very little motivation to change their initial assessment if they have to pay out on it. No independence.

[japhi]

Originally Posted by BRoberts

So many wish you were on that beach.

What a strange beach, that requires you to have a PSA 6 JR to sit on it.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by japhi

What a strange beach, that requires you to have a PSA 6 JR to sit on it.

I would sit on it forever as opposed to just a week. Come on man!!

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

I had multiple offers on ebay for around $40k and I've got an offer from a private party of $45k (which the buyer will write up if requested). Best case, PSA re-holders it (if deemed trimmed) and pays me out the difference of $17,500 and $45,000. ($27,500)
Or they can buy it outright at $45k. Steve or Joe if you're reading this...I'll wait by the phone.

I think you will be told to go back to the buyer you bought the card from and get your money back.

All you’re getting from PSA is an Opinion That’s All.

US Attorneys Office Please Prosecute these card Trimmers, I know it’s super hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt even with a ton of circumstantial evidence and physical cards, with before and after scans, however until anyone can see the said person-actually doctoring the card I think it’s extremely difficult.

I’m call For Civil Law Suits Going After Card Doctors, hit them in their wallets.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

I think you will be told to go back to the buyer you bought the card from and get your money back.

That was Steve Sloan's letter when all this broke but it isn't how their guarantee is worded.

I wonder parenthetically if Nat will keep the guarantee in place or do away with it as another grading company did.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

That was Steve Sloan's letter when all this broke but it isn't how their guarantee is worded.

I wonder parenthetically if Nat will keep the guarantee in place or do away with it as another grading company did.

That’s a good question. I guess we will see.....I fell bad for the owner of this card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

That’s a good question. I guess we will see.....I fell bad for the owner of this card.

If Aj makes 28K off it and gets it off the market, why feel badly for him? Seems like a win win.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If Aj makes 28K off it and gets it off the market, why feel badly for him? Seems like a win win.

That would be great ! I was referencing if AJ is told by PSA to go back to whom you bought the card for said refund, then I would feel bad for him.

He took the risk bought the card at the time he should be able to reap the gain in its uptick at Sale.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If Aj makes 28K off it and gets it off the market, why feel badly for him? Seems like a win win.

I would much rather have a true psa 4.5 Jackie RC in the long term.

[JackR]

No offense intended, but I don’t understand why you should be entitled to receive “lost profits” on a card that apparently has been trimmed. If PSA returned your purchase price and kept the doctored card, wouldn’t you be made whole? Maybe I misunderstand?

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by JackR

No offense intended, but I don’t understand why you should be entitled to receive “lost profits” on a card that apparently has been trimmed. If PSA returned your purchase price and kept the doctored card, wouldn’t you be made whole? Maybe I misunderstand?

Because their grade guarantee specifically states "current market value."

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Because their grade guarantee specifically states "current market value."

just for clarification "The current market value is determined by PSA, based in part on Sports Market Report and SMR Online values and/or recent prices realized from the marketplace."

However " PSA will be the sole determiner of the current market value."

IS that why SMR is always so off base?

[Peter_Spaeth]

SMR is useless but the PSA website showing auction prices is a good resource, similar to VCP.

[Johnny630]

What is the "Marketplace" (I thought that was PWCC)

Who Determines the Definition of "THE MARKETPLACE"