rare Willie Mays cards

Exhibitman · #1 03-06-2021, 11:22 AM

1950s Exhibit Willie Mays pre-production piece or proof. Different card stock, different size and cut than regular issue but definitely a first-generation printing.

Side by side with a regular card.

ALBB · #2 03-06-2021, 02:27 PM

Wow, there are some rare birds there no doubt, Ive been fortunate enough to have landed most of those also

Its these few killers ( Packard Bell, Meadow gold, 67 T punch outs)...that are ...killing me ! LOL

Still hoping to find and buy them

Neal · #3 03-06-2021, 03:34 PM

This one just arrived .... trying to find more info on the set

1953 Howard Mays 7up.jpg 1953 Howard Mays 7up2.jpg

Peter_Spaeth · #4 03-06-2021, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal

This one just arrived .... trying to find more info on the set

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All the info you need to know is my address.

As we discussed, phenomenal card.

ullmandds · #5 03-06-2022, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal

This one just arrived .... trying to find more info on the set

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i've got both variations...tough issue!! And this photo!

VintageHoarder · #6 03-06-2022, 07:42 PM

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i've got both variations...tough issue!! And this photo!

Very cool!! I love that action shot! Exhibitman, I could be wrong, but I think the checklist you have is the 1947-1950 checklist. At least this is the case,, according to Keyman Collectibles. That's the only set noted by them with 64 cards.

VintageHoarder · #7 03-04-2022, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

1950s Exhibit Willie Mays pre-production piece or proof. Different card stock, different size and cut than regular issue but definitely a first-generation printing.

Side by side with a regular card.

The "Made in USA" is his rookie. I acquired nine of these...super undervalued Mays rookie that everyone is sleeping on.

Exhibitman · #8 03-06-2022, 09:25 AM

'fraid not. Here is the 1951 issue checklist:

It is early but consensus among those who study the cards is that "Made in USA" was used from 1951-1953, so between that and the checklist, not a RC but definitely an undervalued early card.

VintageHoarder · #9 03-06-2022, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

'fraid not. Here is the 1951 issue checklist:

It is early but consensus among those who study the cards is that "Made in USA" was used from 1951-1953, so between that and the checklist, not a RC but definitely an undervalued early card.

This is an Exhibit rookie. Mays, for one, didn't play in 1952 or 1953, due to being drafted to the Korean War; secondly, the anniversary patch on his sleeve on that card was only worn in 1951. This patch was to celebrate the 75th anniversary of the National League, which was celebrated in 1951. American League also had a patch for that year, and Mantle can be found in this set with his patch, as well. I don't care what the checklist indicates...that patch says it all.

Exhibitman · #10 03-06-2022, 06:30 PM

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This is an Exhibit rookie. Mays, for one, didn't play in 1952 or 1953, due to being drafted to the Korean War; secondly, the anniversary patch on his sleeve on that card was only worn in 1951. This patch was to celebrate the 75th anniversary of the National League, which was celebrated in 1951. American League also had a patch for that year, and Mantle can be found in this set with his patch, as well. I don't care what the checklist indicates...that patch says it all.

Classically bad reasoning backed up by factual errors:

1. If the patch is from the 1951 season, it proves only that the photo was taken in 1951, not that the card was made in 1951. More likely is that the card was made for the 1952 run since Mays is not on the 1951 checklist and was voted ROY for 1951. ESCO was not in the habit of producing cards of untested rookies, but would have added a ROY to the run for the next season.

2. Contrary to your statement, Mays did play in 1952. He played in 34 games. In fact, in his last game in 1952 he was given an ovation at Ebbets' Field in recognition of his service.

3. The fact that you "don't care what the checklist indicates" is irrelevant. The checklist exists and Mays is not on it.

I understand that you have a financial stake in proving that the cards you hoarded are Mays rookies, but the facts do not support your statements.

VintageHoarder · #11 03-06-2022, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Classically bad reasoning backed up by factual errors:

1. If the patch is from the 1951 season, it proves only that the photo was taken in 1951, not that the card was made in 1951. More likely is that the card was made for the 1952 run since Mays is not on the 1951 checklist and was voted ROY for 1951. ESCO was not in the habit of producing cards of untested rookies, but would have added a ROY to the run for the next season.

2. Contrary to your statement, Mays did play in 1952. He played in 34 games. In fact, in his last game in 1952 he was given an ovation at Ebbets' Field in recognition of his service.

3. The fact that you "don't care what the checklist indicates" is irrelevant. The checklist exists and Mays is not on it.

I understand that you have a financial stake in proving that the cards you hoarded are Mays rookies, but the facts do not support your statements.

Oh, you mean the checklist you provided thats been scribbled on and altered? The same checklist where Philadelphia was scribbled out to jot down the 1951 New York Giants team Card? That card also has Mays and it specifically says "1951 New York Giants National Champions." That card also is not originally printed on the checklist, but you or someone else made sure it was there. The checklist was jotted on and altered,, indicating that you yourself (or someone else) does not trust the checklist. That team card sayd 1951 on it,, but you going to dispute that, too,, even though its been altered in and fixed to suit the checklist? The facts are there with the patch. The patch does exist and it was only used in 1951, regardless of whether the card was 1952 or not. You or I cannot prove the exact year it was printed, just the same as we can't prove the Giants team card was or wasn't printed in 1951. It does say "1951" at the bottom and has the exact same print of Made in USA on it. From the best of my knowledge, people take this at face value and do not argue whether something is or isn't when facts are presented.

Gorditadogg · #12 03-06-2022, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by VintageHoarder

Oh, you mean the checklist you provided thats been scribbled on and altered? The same checklist where Philadelphia was scribbled out to jot down the 1951 New York Giants team Card? That card also has Mays and it specifically says "1951 New York Giants National Champions." That card also is not originally printed on the checklist, but you or someone else made sure it was there. The checklist was jotted on and altered,, indicating that you yourself (or someone else) does not trust the checklist. That team card sayd 1951 on it,, but you going to dispute that, too,, even though its been altered in and fixed to suit the checklist? The facts are there with the patch. The patch does exist and it was only used in 1951, regardless of whether the card was 1952 or not. You or I cannot prove the exact year it was printed, just the same as we can't prove the Giants team card was or wasn't printed in 1951. It does say "1951" at the bottom and has the exact same print of Made in USA on it. From the best of my knowledge, people take this at face value and do not argue whether something is or isn't when facts are presented.

Don't trust the checklist. That's a new one.

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Exhibitman · #13 03-07-2022, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by VintageHoarder

Oh, you mean the checklist you provided thats been scribbled on and altered? The same checklist where Philadelphia was scribbled out to jot down the 1951 New York Giants team Card? That card also has Mays and it specifically says "1951 New York Giants National Champions." That card also is not originally printed on the checklist, but you or someone else made sure it was there. The checklist was jotted on and altered,, indicating that you yourself (or someone else) does not trust the checklist. That team card sayd 1951 on it,, but you going to dispute that, too,, even though its been altered in and fixed to suit the checklist? The facts are there with the patch. The patch does exist and it was only used in 1951, regardless of whether the card was 1952 or not. You or I cannot prove the exact year it was printed, just the same as we can't prove the Giants team card was or wasn't printed in 1951. It does say "1951" at the bottom and has the exact same print of Made in USA on it. From the best of my knowledge, people take this at face value and do not argue whether something is or isn't when facts are presented.

The checklist could only have been made after the 1950 season because the Phillies and Yankees were the teams and that was the 1950 WS. As for the scribblings, that's not a valid argument: I could have made those yesterday. If you write "1951" on a card it doesn't mean the card is a 1951.

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