FS: 1948 Leaf Jackie Robinson PSA 4.5

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

One card at a time. In an open and honest way.

Crossing fingers

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

One card at a time. In an open and honest way.

Crossing fingers

What happens with your one Jackie card really has not much to do with the unbelievable scope of an unfixable problem.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What happens with your one Jackie card really has not much to do with the unbelievable scope of an unfixable problem.

Ya mean you do not want to share in his excitement over his trying to hit the Leaf Lottery? Just look how excited the man is.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Ya mean you do not want to share in his excitement over his trying to hit the Leaf Lottery? Just look how excited the man is.

If he hits it, and I have my doubts, good for him I guess, but let's not pretend this is somehow some turning point for the hobby if he does.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If he hits it, and I have my doubts, good for him I guess, but let's not pretend this is somehow some turning point for the hobby if he does.

True that... They would need to re-review tens of thousands of other cards (now socked away in countless collections), confiscate them all, re-slab them as "A", and monetarily compensate the thousands of other owners (beyond this Jackie abomination)... just to start making a dent.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by perezfan

True that... They would need to re-review tens of thousands of other cards (now socked away in countless collections), confiscate them all, re-slab them as "A", and monetarily compensate the thousands of other owners (beyond this Jackie abomination)... just to start making a dent.

SO not happening.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Ya mean you do not want to share in his excitement over his trying to hit the Leaf Lottery? Just look how excited the man is.

Yes Jackie Leaf has surged since I bought the card last summer, but so have lots of other cards. I've got to potentially get this re-holdered in an A holder and fight over not getting screwed on the fair market price.

The leaf lottery? No thanks, don't want that "good luck".

[Rhotchkiss]

I am very interested to see how this shakes out. AJ, thank you for posting about this and please keep us updated. Posting this on a public forum (one PSA does not control), could have some impact on PSA's response, especially in light of new ownership.

I agree with Pete that there is new ownership and we should see how they handle this before we all go crazy. While I am very doubtful, the new owners deserve a shot. I also agree with Peter that there is no way PSA could ever fully honor its guaranty in light of all the altered cards in PSA slabs; especially considering that the value of those cards are 2-10x what they were 6 months ago.

Anyway, lets see how it shakes out.

AJ, there are some who have been looking for a higher profile test case to litigate PSA's guaranty. This seems like a decent example. If you choose to get a lawyer and litigate, I am sure there are a number of people who would contribute something to the cost. Just sayin.....

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I am very interested to see how this shakes out. AJ, thank you for posting about this and please keep us updated. Posting this on a public forum (one PSA does not control), could have some impact on PSA's response, especially in light of new ownership.

I agree with Pete that there is new ownership and we should see how they handle this before we all go crazy. While I am very doubtful, the new owners deserve a shot. I also agree with Peter that there is no way PSA could ever fully honor its guaranty in light of all the altered cards in PSA slabs; especially considering that the value of those cards are 2-10x what they were 6 months ago.

Anyway, lets see how it shakes out.

AJ, there are some who have been looking for a higher profile test case to litigate PSA's guaranty. This seems like a decent example. If you choose to get a lawyer and litigate, I am sure there are a number of people who would contribute something to the cost. Just sayin.....

Appreciate the support. I've been a long time PSA supporter (my whole collection is PSA) so I'm hoping we can have a dialogue and get it sorted without resorting to lawyers. I've got an email out to Steve and will wait until later this week to reach out to Nat (anyone have Nat's email?).

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I am very interested to see how this shakes out. AJ, thank you for posting about this and please keep us updated. Posting this on a public forum (one PSA does not control), could have some impact on PSA's response, especially in light of new ownership.

I agree with Pete that there is new ownership and we should see how they handle this before we all go crazy. While I am very doubtful, the new owners deserve a shot. I also agree with Peter that there is no way PSA could ever fully honor its guaranty in light of all the altered cards in PSA slabs; especially considering that the value of those cards are 2-10x what they were 6 months ago.

Anyway, lets see how it shakes out.

AJ, there are some who have been looking for a higher profile test case to litigate PSA's guaranty. This seems like a decent example. If you choose to get a lawyer and litigate, I am sure there are a number of people who would contribute something to the cost. Just sayin.....

A much better test case IMO would be where the seller refused to refund the buyer, and the buyer promptly made a claim on the guarantee. It will certainly be interesting to see how this plays out, and hopefully for the best, but I don't think it's a typical or ideal case.

[68Hawk]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

A much better test case IMO would be where the seller refused to refund the buyer, and the buyer promptly made a claim on the guarantee. It will certainly be interesting to see how this plays out, and hopefully for the best, but I don't think it's a typical or ideal case.

Though it's probably not reasonable to assume the buyer would know immediately card in hand that it had been trimmed or altered.

That's why he used the expertise of a third party grader when choosing which card to buy, so that eyes more experienced than his own would render that opinion. A TPG company no less that would vouch for it's estimation with particular guarantees.

Not unreasonable at all to NEVER question it until being made aware of the possibility by yet others of greater hobby experience.
You could have the card for 20 years sitting in your safe and not give another thought to it's authentic grade, then upon taking it out find reason to question the possibility of alteration.
And subsequently need to seek recompense.
No?