Will Roger Maris ever get into the HOF?

John1941 · #1 03-14-2021, 10:10 AM

No, I don't think he will ever make it to the Hall. And I don't think he deserves it either. I really like Maris, but the thing is is that Maris had 2 great seasons and 3 very good seasons. Ashburn had 3 great seasons, more than Maris, and 6 very good seasons. Santo had 5 great seasons, and 4 very good seasons. I'm not gonna compare him to Mazeroski, because I'm not sure Maz belongs in the Hall either, but overall I'd say 2 great seasons don't make a hall of famer.

jayshum · #2 03-14-2021, 10:52 AM

Maris is not a Hall of Famer. Yes, he had 2 great years and won 2 MVP awards, but he only played 12 seasons and had a total of 1325 hits and 275 home runs with a .260 career batting average. Dale Murphy also won 2 MVP awards but had a much longer career (18 years), 2111 hits, 398 home runs and a .265 career batting average, and he didn't come close to getting the the Hall of Fame. The only reason Maris is talked about for the Hall of Fame is for hitting 61 home runs in a season. One great feat doesn't make you a Hall of Famer.

D. Bergin · #3 03-14-2021, 11:03 AM

As a Yankee fan and as a Roger Maris fan, I say no.

If he somehow does make the Hall, there will be a bump simply because it will be surprising, but Roger's card already carries a premium above many other HOF'ers because of his milestones and overall popularity in the hobby.

I think, especially in the last couple years, several popular, but not HOF caliber players have seen a bump, even beyond many established HOF'ers. Especially when it comes to their "Rookie" cards.

I think it's a good thing. As collectors age, they're becoming more intrigued by players that captured their imagination in their younger days.

Yankees have several other examples: Mattingly, Munson, Randolph, Guidry

A few on other teams off the top of my head, I've noticed movement on: Mark Fidrych, Fernando Valenzuela, Bobby Grich, Dwight Evans, Jose Canseco

I'm sure a few of those guys are because of anticipation of one day getting in the Hall........especially after the Baines enshrinement...........but certainly not all of them.

I'm sure there's lots more examples.

egri · #4 03-14-2021, 11:19 AM

I don't see it. He was a good player who had a couple great seasons, but if Maris had hit 59 home runs that year, we wouldn't be having this conversation. At least not while sober.

jayshum · #5 03-14-2021, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by egri

I don't see it. He was a good player who had a couple great seasons, but if Maris had hit 59 home runs that year, we wouldn't be having this conversation. At least not while sober.

Agreed. I almost included the exact same thing in my earlier post but then deleted it.

UKCardGuy · #6 03-14-2021, 11:51 AM

I completely get the points above. But somehow it just doesn't sit right with me. He may have had only a few great seasons but WOW weren't they great.

3x World Series Champion (the last being with the Cards)
7x All-star
2x MVP

I look at some of other names in the HOF and really can't understand the disparity. I mean Fergie Jenkins....really???? I remember watching him during the 70s. Nobody I knew considered him a star. Yet there he is in the HOF.

It seems to me that if you had a longer fairly average career that allowed you to rack up some career totals, you have a shot at the HOF. Somehow, it it doesn't seem right.

Even Nellie Fox (and I love Nellie)...is he really that much better than Maris?

Frankish · #7 03-14-2021, 12:03 PM

Very interesting question. Personally, I think Maris should have been elected to the HOF a long time ago. That said, I doubt he will be now and each year that passes seems to make it less likely, as generations of players change and baseball moves on.

I understand and appreciate all of the points made to the contrary. My own opinion is that long and consistent careers are overweighted in HOF selections. The length and/or consistency of some careers is remarkable but many HOFers are simply top 5% players that maintained that level of play over a healthy career. Nothing wrong with that. But I think the HOF should have room for the record-shatterers, the boundary breakers, etc. It is after all the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Consistent High-Level Execution.

D. Bergin · #8 03-14-2021, 12:08 PM

If somebody says "The Hall Of Very Good" at any point in this thread..............I might have to blow my top.

packs · #9 03-14-2021, 12:12 PM

Players have gotten in on a single season or event before. I don’t know if Maz gets in without his home run and I don’t think Dizzy Dean gets in without winning 30 games. Would Hack Wilson be in without his RBI record? In my opinion what Maris did in 1961 eclipses all of them.

UKCardGuy · #10 03-14-2021, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin

If somebody says "The Hall Of Very Good" at any point in this thread..............I might have to blow my top.

Dave, only because you set it up so nicely...

With some of the players in the HOF and they're journeyman records, I have to wonder if its becoming the Hall of Very Good.

Aquarian Sports Cards · #11 03-18-2021, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I completely get the points above. But somehow it just doesn't sit right with me. He may have had only a few great seasons but WOW weren't they great.

3x World Series Champion (the last being with the Cards)
7x All-star
2x MVP

I look at some of other names in the HOF and really can't understand the disparity. I mean Fergie Jenkins....really???? I remember watching him during the 70s. Nobody I knew considered him a star. Yet there he is in the HOF.

It seems to me that if you had a longer fairly average career that allowed you to rack up some career totals, you have a shot at the HOF. Somehow, it it doesn't seem right.

Even Nellie Fox (and I love Nellie)...is he really that much better than Maris?

People who didn't consider Jenkins a star were wrong.

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