REA Aution guess what goes for the most

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

You do realize there's only maybe a handful of this card in existence right?

I’m with him on the Brown card. They are great cards that I have collected for years but they just don’t have the widespread appeal that this price would indicate. Never in a million years would I think a card of a non-baseball (or major 4-sport) from the T227 set bring this kind of money. The multi-sport sets from this era have never been that popular, the baseball players (when present) being the obvious exception. If I am being honest I feel there has been a bit of a PR move on this set on this forum and elsewhere from some that own these cards to pump them up. Not too many people even know that the T227 Brown card is anything special, especially in the Non-Sports card world where a lot of the T218-T227-T229 multi-sport issues are collected and hoarded. There may be more out there than you think when those collections get broken down someday.

The T229 Kopec/Pet sets are some of my favorite and infinitely tougher than the T227’s.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

But the baseball players and boxers drive the popularity of the set in general (and it's gorgeous) so if you want to complete a set you NEED Brown. There are more people who want a set than there are Brown cards. Pretty basic economics.

I look at T220 Silver Border and you'd think "well the two key cards in that set are about as rare as the Brown, so they should go for as much" But even though I personally love the T220 Silvers the amount of people trying to complete sets is probably not even a dozen because it's ONLY boxing.

If there was a similar set with ONLY Race Car Drivers, Track Athlete's and Pool Players with one super rare card it would likely sell for even less than the T220 rarities, because those sports rank even lower than boxing in popularity.

The baseball cards drive the overall demand, but then it spreads to the other cards because of set collecting. If the 4 baseball players weren't in the set you'd have never heard of the Brown card.

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

But the baseball players and boxers drive the popularity of the set in general (and it's gorgeous) so if you want to complete a set you NEED Brown. There are more people who want a set than there are Brown cards. Pretty basic economics.

I look at T220 Silver Border and you'd think "well the two key cards in that set are about as rare as the Brown, so they should go for as much" But even though I personally love the T220 Silvers the amount of people trying to complete sets is probably not even a dozen because it's ONLY boxing.

If there was a similar set with ONLY Race Car Drivers, Track Athlete's and Pool Players with one super rare card it would likely sell for even less than the T220 rarities, because those sports rank even lower than boxing in popularity.

The baseball cards drive the overall demand, but then it spreads to the other cards because of set collecting. If the 4 baseball players weren't in the set you'd have never heard of the Brown card.

I understand all of that. I collect nearly every multi-sport set there is and also collect non-sports cards.

Show me another set where any of the lesser sports rarity or not have a card that is of the non-major sports that have anything close to this level of interest. It just doesn’t exist, hence the incredulity.

There is no track record of this type of pricing on the Brown card until exactly this moment. I just find it all strange.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Show me another set where any of the lesser sports rarity or not have a card that is of the non-major sports that have anything close to this level of interest. It just doesn’t exist, hence the incredulity.

There is no track record of this type of pricing on the Brown card until exactly this moment. I just find it all strange.

Show me another multi-sport set with 4 baseball HOF'ers and a SERIOUS rarity in one of the non-baseball cards. This is a unicorn, plain and simple.

You haven't seen this kind of pricing on the Brown card before. I can't remember the last time I saw one for sale.

[Casey2296]

I'm curious what the 1893 "Just So" goes for, that's a pretty special card.

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Show me another multi-sport set with 4 baseball HOF'ers and a SERIOUS rarity in one of the non-baseball cards. This is a unicorn, plain and simple.

You haven't seen this kind of pricing on the Brown card before. I can't remember the last time I saw one for sale.

I understand your stance on this card but until VERY recently this card was literally on nobody’s radar. It isn’t a widely known rarity nor does it have ANY historical mystique in the hobby to it. I understand that there appears to be a shift to it having this attention now but until maybe 6 months to a year ago nobody had this card on their radar with a price tag anywhere near this level attached to it.

It seems fishy to me that within 1 day of the REA being up I knew of no other card being in the auction other than the T227 Brown and I saw that mentioned at least 5 times by people on this forum, and that was BEFORE the price shot up to where it is at. Just seems really odd.

[RedsFan1941]

literally “nobody” had this card on their radar? talk about unbelievable hype.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I disagree that this card was unknown. I had 22 different Miner's Extra Backs in my first Pre War auction and I was asked a number of times before the auction even opened if I had the Brown. Then after the auction was running I got additional messages asking if I was sure there wasn't a Brown hiding somewhere (the near set was part of a "find" in Central PA) That's the only reason I chimed in, because I have first hand experience with at least a handful of guys who have been chasing this card for years.

[sportscardpete]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I disagree that this card was unknown. I had 22 different Miner's Extra Backs in my first Pre War auction and I was asked a number of times before the auction even opened if I had the Brown. Then after the auction was running I got additional messages asking if I was sure there wasn't a Brown hiding somewhere (the near set was part of a "find" in Central PA) That's the only reason I chimed in, because I have first hand experience with at least a handful of guys who have been chasing this card for years.

Really good intel.. thanks for sharing!

I've learned to never put an estimate on cards that come up once every decade.

[puckpaul]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

But the baseball players and boxers drive the popularity of the set in general (and it's gorgeous) so if you want to complete a set you NEED Brown. There are more people who want a set than there are Brown cards. Pretty basic economics.

I look at T220 Silver Border and you'd think "well the two key cards in that set are about as rare as the Brown, so they should go for as much" But even though I personally love the T220 Silvers the amount of people trying to complete sets is probably not even a dozen because it's ONLY boxing.

If there was a similar set with ONLY Race Car Drivers, Track Athlete's and Pool Players with one super rare card it would likely sell for even less than the T220 rarities, because those sports rank even lower than boxing in popularity.

The baseball cards drive the overall demand, but then it spreads to the other cards because of set collecting. If the 4 baseball players weren't in the set you'd have never heard of the Brown card.

exactly. well said.

[puckpaul]

I have most of the set (bought Halper's partial set in Sotheby's and set about finishing it because the cards are great looking and I like to finish sets) and have been looking for the Brown. I have posted here numerous times looking for the card, as have others. I have prodded one owner of the card I could find on Heritage with offers that were ignored.

now, that said, what price? always hard to say when there is one card, first auction in 11 years, and several interested buyers? maybe let it play out and see if it brings out a few others once they see the price?

why would people be hyping it? if there are that many that people want to hype it, then several more should be coming for auction soon, right?

aside from all that, there is money everywhere doing crazy things....this isn't all that strange when someone just paid $2.25mm for a Tom Brady card.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

But the baseball players and boxers drive the popularity of the set in general (and it's gorgeous) so if you want to complete a set you NEED Brown. There are more people who want a set than there are Brown cards. Pretty basic economics.

I look at T220 Silver Border and you'd think "well the two key cards in that set are about as rare as the Brown, so they should go for as much" But even though I personally love the T220 Silvers the amount of people trying to complete sets is probably not even a dozen because it's ONLY boxing.

If there was a similar set with ONLY Race Car Drivers, Track Athlete's and Pool Players with one super rare card it would likely sell for even less than the T220 rarities, because those sports rank even lower than boxing in popularity.

The baseball cards drive the overall demand, but then it spreads to the other cards because of set collecting. If the 4 baseball players weren't in the set you'd have never heard of the Brown card.

This post is completely spot on. I am a racing card collector, and the Fred Lorenzen with car card from the 1972 STP set has always been a white whale among racing cards. That card has taken some collectors of the '72 STP racing set 20 years to find (PSA has currently graded two copies of the card).

It has been several years since I have seen a Lorenzen with car card sell, but it was a $1,200-$1,500 card as of a few years ago. In today's market, the card would probably go for several thousand, but I very much doubt it would sell for $25,000+ because it is "just a racing set." The baseball players in T227 are driving the price of the Bruce Brown card.