Full House at the Rangers game right now

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

You do what you feel is right for yourself. Nobody will fault you for that. But let others do what they feel is right for themselves too...including going to ball games. If you don't want to go, don't go. But don't call other people irresponsible because they want to go. Is someone criticizing you for doing what you want to do? I'm guessing not. So why are you doing it to others? Who are you that only your opinion matters?

What I feel is right for me is to go speeding around in my car while drunk. Good to know that nobody will fault me for that.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

What I feel is right for me is to go speeding around in my car while drunk. Good to know that nobody will fault me for that.

I have been thinking about taking up drinking again so I can do that. If I remember right it was a lot of fun in high school.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

What I feel is right for me is to go speeding around in my car while drunk. Good to know that nobody will fault me for that.

Let me reword it for the mentally impaired. If people aren't breaking any laws or causing intentional harm to others, they should be left alone to do their own thing.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

What I feel is right for me is to go speeding around in my car while drunk. Good to know that nobody will fault me for that.

Exactly.
Please do it in poor driving conditions at high speed around a number of large and solid brick walls, and preferably with the car loaded with like-minded simpletons.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Exactly.
Please do it in poor driving conditions at high speed around a number of large and solid brick walls, and preferably with the car loaded with like-minded simpletons.

How does one connect an illegal activity with a legal one? Flimsy comparison

[perezfan]

With restaurants, bars, hotels, salons, theatres and retail establishments being crippled here (and going out of business at alarming rates), you have to wonder at some point whether the lockdowns are even beneficial. The survival rate of this virus is 99.97%...

Seems like wiping out people's businesses, life savings and ability to even visit family and loved ones is more detrimental than the alternative. Not to mention the millions of kids missing school and the increasing suicide rates. The free states are currently no worse off than "lockdown states", with regard to the spread, so perhaps living in fear is not the best alternative.

[packs]

I guess that depends what you consider to be living in fear. Most people are advocating proper distancing, capacity limitations and wearing a mask. Doesn't seem alarmist to me. I might use the word practical.

On another note I've noticed that in the year I've been wearing a mask in all social situations I have not even had so much as a runny nose.

[Republicaninmass]

Living in fear doesnt prevent death....it prevents life.


Nobody believes in fate anymore.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by packs

On another note I've noticed that in the year I've been wearing a mask in all social situations I have not even had so much as a runny nose.

Let's see what happens to your flabby, out of shape immune system when it finally comes off.

[packs]

Oh, I've thought of that. I've been eating more fast food to balance it out.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by packs

I guess that depends what you consider to be living in fear. Most people are advocating proper distancing, capacity limitations and wearing a mask. Doesn't seem alarmist to me. I might use the word practical.

On another note I've noticed that in the year I've been wearing a mask in all social situations I have not even had so much as a runny nose.

You missed the point just a tad. The two are not mutually exclusive...

They could open up most businesses and schools while employing masks and social distancing measures (being careful and practical). Some of these governor/dictators are on a bit of a power trip.

[packs]

Originally Posted by perezfan

You missed the point just a tad. The two are not mutually exclusive...

They could open up most businesses and schools while employing masks and social distancing measures (being careful and practical). Some of these governor/dictators are on a bit of a power trip.

Who is they, though? The government of the state has made their stance clear on the issue and the plan isn't what you're proposing.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by perezfan

With restaurants, bars, hotels, salons, theatres and retail establishments being crippled here (and going out of business at alarming rates), you have to wonder at some point whether the lockdowns are even beneficial. The survival rate of this virus is 99.97%...

Seems like wiping out people's businesses, life savings and ability to even visit family and loved ones is more detrimental than the alternative. Not to mention the millions of kids missing school and the increasing suicide rates. The free states are currently no worse off than "lockdown states", with regard to the spread, so perhaps living in fear is not the best alternative.

There needs to be somewhere between fear and all out opening of everything. I got my first vaccine shot yesterday. I will still wear a mask in social places and try to keep my distance. I wouldn't advocate lockdowns or 100 percent openings right now. Somewhere in the middle...maybe 70% open? I just don't feel like we are completely out of the woods yet. All just my personal opinion. If everyone stays civil it's an ok debate.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by perezfan

With restaurants, bars, hotels, salons, theatres and retail establishments being crippled here (and going out of business at alarming rates), you have to wonder at some point whether the lockdowns are even beneficial. The survival rate of this virus is 99.97%...

It's actually closer to 98%:

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n579

However, there are more than the two outcomes from COVID than you're talking about - perfect health and death. COVID causes long-term problems in a lot of patients - heart issues, brain issues, and more. My brother is 15+ months out from getting COVID and still doesn't have his sense of taste back.

It's a lot more complicated than just "you die or you don't".

In addition to that, there is the significant burden that COVID places on the health care system. That has the effect of harming the care available to non-COVID patients.

None of the above should be interpreted in any way as advocating opening of businesses or closing of businesses.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Tabe

It's actually closer to 98%:

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n579

However, there are more than the two outcomes from COVID than you're talking about - perfect health and death. COVID causes long-term problems in a lot of patients - heart issues, brain issues, and more. My brother is 15+ months out from getting COVID and still doesn't have his sense of taste back.

It's a lot more complicated than just "you die or you don't".

In addition to that, there is the significant burden that COVID places on the health care system. That has the effect of harming the care available to non-COVID patients.

None of the above should be interpreted in any way as advocating opening of businesses or closing of businesses.

My younger brother(46) is right at a year since he had it. He is still tired and his joints ache all the time.

To get more card pics here is one of my favorite pick ups in a very long time. A Wade Boggs rookie wrong back.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by bnorth

My younger brother(46) is right at a year since he had it. He is still tired and his joints ache all the time.

To get more card pics here is one of my favorite pick ups in a very long time. A Wade Boggs rookie wrong back.

I had it over a year ago, before it was cool to get it. I've never been sicker, but I recovered.

My two adult daughters caught it three weeks ago and they seem to be through the worst of it. Both lost taste and smell, but it's slowly coming back.

That looks more to me like a Wade Boggs rookie wrong front.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Tabe

It's actually closer to 98%:

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n579

However, there are more than the two outcomes from COVID than you're talking about - perfect health and death. COVID causes long-term problems in a lot of patients - heart issues, brain issues, and more. My brother is 15+ months out from getting COVID and still doesn't have his sense of taste back.

It's a lot more complicated than just "you die or you don't".

In addition to that, there is the significant burden that COVID places on the health care system. That has the effect of harming the care available to non-COVID patients.

None of the above should be interpreted in any way as advocating opening of businesses or closing of businesses.

It's not that complicated. It's a decision people should be able to decide on their own. If you're afraid of covid, don't go to a restaurant. But everyone else shouldn't be denied the right because you're afraid.

Not much different than cigarettes, alcohol, guns, motorcycles. People decide how much risk they want to assume. The gov't doesn't make the decision for them.

At this point the cat is out of the bag. Texas and Florida have dispelled just about every liberal myth related to covid. Yet liberal states still choose to fear the boogeyman.

[Fballguy]

BTW...Wasn't spring break supposed to cause another spike?

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

It's not that complicated. It's a decision people should be able to decide on their own. If you're afraid of covid, don't go to a restaurant. But everyone else shouldn't be denied the right because you're afraid.

Not much different than cigarettes, alcohol, guns, motorcycles. People decide how much risk they want to assume. The gov't doesn't make the decision for them.

At this point the cat is out of the bag. Texas and Florida have dispelled just about every liberal myth related to covid. Yet liberal states still choose to fear the boogeyman.

But doesn't the government try to mitigate the risk? Helmets, age minimums, licensing?? Wearing masks in public or temporarily halting mass, crowded indoor public events seem to be in character with all of your examples.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

It's not that complicated. It's a decision people should be able to decide on their own. If you're afraid of covid, don't go to a restaurant. But everyone else shouldn't be denied the right because you're afraid.

You're refuting a point I didn't make. I was referring to the effects of COVID, specifically in reference to the - false - statement of a 99.97% survival rate. You're talking about something completely different.

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Not much different than cigarettes, alcohol, guns, motorcycles. People decide how much risk they want to assume. The gov't doesn't make the decision for them.

Government does make the decision. It's illegal to drive after consuming much alcohol. Clothing and helmets are regulated for motorcycles. Cigarettes are restricted from sale based on age and location. Their use is banned in many places. And so on.

So, by it being "not that much different", you're advocating for government intervention. That doesn't jibe with what you said above.

Originally Posted by Fballguy

At this point the cat is out of the bag. Texas and Florida have dispelled just about every liberal myth related to covid. Yet liberal states still choose to fear the boogeyman.

Texas just had a 27% jump in weekly cases.

[Gnep31]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

What I feel is right for me is to go speeding around in my car while drunk. Good to know that nobody will fault me for that.

Respectfully you are comparing apples to oranges. In your example you would be breaking the law. There is no law stating anyone has to get injected with a vaccine....especially one we are crossing our fingers and hoping works.

I have fingers crossed on both hands and I pray it works, but knowing a little bit about pharma I'm not holding my breath and I certainly won't be their guinea pig.

I could also potentially spread the common flu or cold in which susceptible individuals could die from. Are you advocating for making it law that anyone who is sick cannot go out into public?

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by Gnep31

Respectfully you are comparing apples to oranges. In your example you would be breaking the law. There is no law stating anyone has to get injected with a vaccine....especially one we are crossing our fingers and hoping works.

I could also potentially spread the common flu or cold in which susceptible individuals could die from. Are you advocating for making it law that anyone who is sick cannot go out into public?

Actually it is apples to apples. You, unfortunately, let vintagetoppsguy sidetrack you. The discussion was about calling a certain behavior irresponsible.

Ask yourself this, if it weren't against the law to drive while drunk, would you? Would you consider that responsible behavior?

Nowhere in my response do I advocate for creating any laws.

I do consider driving while drunk irresponsible.
I do consider going to a packed baseball game during a pandemic without proper safety protocols irresponsible.
I do consider going out in public while active with the flu to be irresponsible.

What's wrong with calling drunk drivers irresponsible?
What's wrong with calling people who go to a packed baseball game during a pandemic irresponsible?
What's wrong with calling people who knowingly go out in public while they have the flu irresponsible?

Who got their panties in a twist and became the PC Police?

[bnorth]

We are way past the required card picture.

Then the other is the second best advice my Grandpa ever gave me. First is if you are so high you think you can fly. Try it from the ground first.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

oh my bad...wrong thread...haha Ben you beat me to it

[DHogan]

I like naps.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by DHogan

I like naps.

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Here's a Nap
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[Bridwell]

I was wondering when this type of discussion would hit net54. It is a very divisive topic. I'd like to see somebody set up some Polls so we can get a confidential measure of how collectors feel about these topics. It's not baseball card related, though. I live in Texas, so here people are more in favor of getting out in the open air and not just staying at home. Some reasonable social distancing is the right thing to do for awhile longer, though.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Bridwell

I was wondering when this type of discussion would hit net54. It is a very divisive topic. I'd like to see somebody set up some Polls so we can get a confidential measure of how collectors feel about these topics. It's not baseball card related, though. I live in Texas, so here people are more in favor of getting out in the open air and not just staying at home. Some reasonable social distancing is the right thing to do for awhile longer, though.

Agree with this take.... common sense. I want as little government intervention as possible, and think the issue has been somewhat overblown. States with strong restrictions are faring no better than states with few to no restrictions at this point. And states where schools are still not in session are a disgrace, IMO.

That said, I still wear a mask in public settings because I realize others might be uncomfortable otherwise. It's just a temporary common courtesy, and feels better to err on the side of safety. I do find it amusing when I see people hiking alone in remote areas with masks on, riding in their car alone, or riding their bikes outdoors with a mask on. But to each his own... and this too shall pass.

[Belfast1933]

I can’t believe this is even an argument.... as they say, I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you.

Unbelievable. Seriously, unbelievable.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by AustinMike

Actually it is apples to apples. You, unfortunately, let vintagetoppsguy sidetrack you. The discussion was about calling a certain behavior irresponsible.

Ask yourself this, if it weren't against the law to drive while drunk, would you? Would you consider that responsible behavior?

Nowhere in my response do I advocate for creating any laws.

I do consider driving while drunk irresponsible.
I do consider going to a packed baseball game during a pandemic without proper safety protocols irresponsible.
I do consider going out in public while active with the flu to be irresponsible.

What's wrong with calling drunk drivers irresponsible?
What's wrong with calling people who go to a packed baseball game during a pandemic irresponsible?
What's wrong with calling people who knowingly go out in public while they have the flu irresponsible?

Who got their panties in a twist and became the PC Police?

What does all this have to do with potatoes? Can we get back on topic?

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by Mark17

What does all this have to do with potatoes? Can we get back on topic?

Vodka.

Here's someone that I've read knew his way around alcohol. I don't know why, but he looks a little "impaired" to me in this picture.

[T3s]

“Fear does not prevent death, it prevents life”.
Buddha

[edjs]

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[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by T3s

“Fear does not prevent death, it prevents life”.
Buddha

Why do people use vacuous, "pithy" sayings as if they're a pearl of wisdom that proves a point when, in actuality, most are nothing more than a heaping pile of dumdom?

My fear of putting my head inside a wild alligator's mouth is preventing my living? Good to know.

"Fear does not prevent death?" What, pray tell, does?

You can put almost anything in that sentence in place of "death" and get a statement that many people would agree with.

"Watching TV does not prevent death, it prevents life." I'm sure my wife would agree with that.

Speaking of wives, how about "Marriage does not prevent death, it prevents life." I know many people who would agree with that.

How about something for the smokers out there? "Not smoking does not prevent death, it prevents life."

How about something for those of us who feel the need to drive drunk? "Driving sober does not prevent death, it prevents life."

I could go on all day with this, but hopefully you get the point.

Instead of "quoting" some famous person, state your own position, "Wearing a face mask does not prevent death, it prevents me from living my self-centered, non-caring life."