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Old 04-09-2021, 09:51 AM
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Beautiful cards. Does that Aaron have a small crease somewhere? Looks better than VG-EX and more like EX-MT+. I have a few on the way back too, with a 55 Bowman Mantle that got an 'A' for 'evidence of trim' that I wasn't expecting.
There is a small corner wrinkle on the back of the Aaron, very faint and only about 1/8”. I’m usually into crease/wrinkle free cards, but I didn’t mind this one. Couldn’t see it unless I angled the card in light to find it, so I’m more than content. Seeing that “A” in results stings doesn’t it? I wish a simple line or two with justification for grade accompanied Authentic grades.
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Old 04-09-2021, 10:31 AM
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Any chance the Williams had been in a screw down? Looks like corners might be compressed.
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Old 04-09-2021, 10:50 AM
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Any chance the Williams had been in a screw down? Looks like corners might be compressed.
This is interesting. My Exhibits Paige came back A, and I couldn't figure out why. It has some issues, but I thought it would get a numeric grade. It came to me in a screwdown holder. Perhaps that was it.

I guess I'm not able to recognize compressed corners, because they don't stand out to me on that Williams, and I thought the corners on my Paige looked normal but worn. Any thoughts?
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Old 04-09-2021, 11:41 AM
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This is interesting. My Exhibits Paige came back A, and I couldn't figure out why. It has some issues, but I thought it would get a numeric grade. It came to me in a screwdown holder. Perhaps that was it.

I guess I'm not able to recognize compressed corners, because they don't stand out to me on that Williams, and I thought the corners on my Paige looked normal but worn. Any thoughts?
Much harder to see on a card with a matte surface, sorry.
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Old 04-09-2021, 11:42 AM
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Much harder to see on a card with a matte surface, sorry.
Thank you anyways!
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Old 04-09-2021, 11:03 AM
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Any chance the Williams had been in a screw down? Looks like corners might be compressed.
It was in a Cardsaver when I received it, but possibly in a screw down at some point. It didn’t appear to have compression on corners/borders when I looked it over at time of purchase. Matched up in size to my others, and I found nothing obvious. I reached out to SGC asking for notes, but I was told the grader provided nothing for detail.

Trying to make up my mind on what I want to do with the card at this point. Keep it/buy a numerical graded copy to go with it, crack and resub to PSA eventually, or sell it. Leaning towards keeping it as is and buying an already graded EX.

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Old 04-09-2021, 11:05 AM
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It didn’t appear to have compression on corners/borders when I looked it over at time of purchase. Matched up in size to my others, and I found nothing obvious. I reached out to SGC asking for notes, but I was told the grader provided nothing for detail.
Same here. I reached out for notes or an explanation and was advised that the graders don't keep notes. I sent it back in for review even though I'm not holding out much hope for a change.
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There is a small corner wrinkle on the back of the Aaron, very faint and only about 1/8”. I’m usually into crease/wrinkle free cards, but I didn’t mind this one. Couldn’t see it unless I angled the card in light to find it, so I’m more than content. Seeing that “A” in results stings doesn’t it? I wish a simple line or two with justification for grade accompanied Authentic grades.
I'm not sure what they do now, but if you selected the option to not slab as "A" you got an explanation ticket back with the card.

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I'm not sure what they do now, but if you selected the option to not slab as "A" you got an explanation ticket back with the card.
I was not aware of that, thank you.
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I was not aware of that, thank you.
Now I just recently got a card that came back as "miscut" from SGC as well and they didn't holder the card. Why would a miscut card not receive a numerical grade? I've seen countless cards with diamond cuts graded numerically.
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Now I just recently got a card that came back as "miscut" from SGC as well and they didn't holder the card. Why would a miscut card not receive a numerical grade? I've seen countless cards with diamond cuts graded numerically.
I was wondering the same thing. I was always under the impression that the miscut hurt the grade but wasn't a disqualifying factor
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Wazoo- "Now I just recently got a card that came back as "miscut" from SGC as well and they didn't holder the card. Why would a miscut card not receive a numerical grade? I've seen countless cards with diamond cuts graded numerically."


Maybe when a card is factory cut but still smaller than allowable size tolerance.

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Now I just recently got a card that came back as "miscut" from SGC as well and they didn't holder the card. Why would a miscut card not receive a numerical grade? I've seen countless cards with diamond cuts graded numerically.
I never checked with them, and I sent the Needham in a long time ago.
But I think what it was is that the top and bottom were very rough cuts. Probably bad enough that most casual collectors wouldn't think of them as factory edges.

This scan doesn't really do justice to how rough they really are.


I was annoyed at first, but eventually figured that if most people who haven't seen many would doubt it, having it with a number grade would probably hurt the grading co reputation.

Same for cards that are undersize but have factory cuts. How often do we see stuff posted like "how could they grade a card that's that short? It must be trimmed"
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I never checked with them, and I sent the Needham in a long time ago.
But I think what it was is that the top and bottom were very rough cuts. Probably bad enough that most casual collectors wouldn't think of them as factory edges.

This scan doesn't really do justice to how rough they really are.


I was annoyed at first, but eventually figured that if most people who haven't seen many would doubt it, having it with a number grade would probably hurt the grading co reputation.

Same for cards that are undersize but have factory cuts. How often do we see stuff posted like "how could they grade a card that's that short? It must be trimmed"
Well said. And makes sense to me. Funny how yours is a Sov. Here is mine for comparison. Appears to be diamond cut as day, although severe I suppose.
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Well said. And makes sense to me. Funny how yours is a Sov. Here is mine for comparison. Appears to be diamond cut as day, although severe I suppose.
That should be a VG, maybe a bit better any time.

From the other thread, it looks like they don't have anyone with a clue anymore.
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