Warning: SGC - A Factory Miscut = Miscut = "A" Grade

edhans · #1 04-13-2021, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by glynparson

Good for SGC I agree with this decision 100%.

On what grounds, Glyn? That AB Street is off center, no doubt; but certainly appears to be full sized. But why, after thirty years of assigning numerical grades to off center and even miscut cards, is this no longer worthy of a number grade? PSA would (usually) assign a qualifier, while SGCs practice would generally have been to reduce the number grade. If this is indeed a change in policy, SGC owes us a far more detailed explanation than they gave Cliff. In my view, a far more likely explanation is inexperience and incompetence.

Chesbro41 · #2 04-13-2021, 07:53 AM

SGC is "Authentic" happy. I got this one in, pretty sure it's full size/no paper loss with some beat up/compressed corners. Also had a Zeenut full size come back trimmed because it was missing the coupon (I believe). So they either have new graders that are learning or are hyper aware of all the trimming going on and have maybe tightened up too far.

It's hard as a vintage collector to send in cards full size for 25-75 bucks a pop and have them come back this way when there are thousands in the market with numbers on them. These vintage cards just weren't kept the same. If a card was trimmed and not meant to be hand cut it should 100% be A, but this is a whole new ballgame they are playing. They need refunds or qualifiers.

tedzan · #3 04-13-2021, 08:29 AM

Hi Cliff

Regarding your T206 card of Street (AMERICAN BEAUTY 350).....crack it out of its plastic and re-submit it to SGC (or PSA).

There is a good likelihood that it will come back graded with a NUMBER. That card is very sharp and deserves a high grade.

I'm talking from experience with SGC. As, I have done exactly this with T206 AB cards that I acquired which were originally
Graded "A" (SGC or PSA) And were converted to graded cards numbered grades (5, 6, or 7's) upon re-submission.

It's worth the try.

TED Z

T206 Reference
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obcmac · #4 04-13-2021, 08:56 AM

I think SGC got it mostly right. A number grade should indicate standard dimensions for the card. So T201s or T202's with the wavy cut should all be "Authentic". The problem is that they don't distinguish between authentic and altered. These are all unaltered, but I don't think they should have number grades. The t206 is tougher...but looks like an unusual left border (though it's hard to tell from scan. The issue is particular annoying in t207s as well where unusual factory cuts garner lots of A's.

Mac

Ronnie73 · #5 04-13-2021, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Cliff

Regarding your T206 card of Street (AMERICAN BEAUTY 350).....crack it out of its plastic and re-submit it to SGC (or PSA).

There is a good likelihood that it will come back graded with a NUMBER. That card is very sharp and deserves a high grade.

I'm talking from experience with SGC. As, I have done exactly this with T206 AB cards that I acquired which were originally
Graded "A" (SGC or PSA) And were converted to graded cards numbered grades (5, 6, or 7's) upon re-submission.

It's worth the try.

TED Z

T206 Reference
.

Ted is right. It's also a great strategy to get some really nice high value cards at a fraction of their value. But you gotta know what to look for.

Rich Klein · #6 04-13-2021, 09:48 AM

I believe Glyn is the only one who has posted on this thread who has actually graded cards for a TPG so I'd like to hear more of why he believes that. Perhaps it is supposed to be a policy, and if so, that makes a ton of sense.

Rich

Leon · #7 04-13-2021, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich Klein

I believe Glyn is the only one who has posted on this thread who has actually graded cards for a TPG so I'd like to hear more of why he believes that. Perhaps it is supposed to be a policy, and if so, that makes a ton of sense.

Rich

It might be ok for the worker bee as he/she is following orders....but, If the policy is wrong, in it's decision, it doesn't make it ok because it's a policy.
I acquired a stack of W575-1s, 20 cards including these 4, with the pack they came in. They were spot on in size when I had them, on a table, in a stack and flush. No hand cuts.
SGC told me on the phone it was their policy to put hand cut even though they knew these were NOT hand cut. I even sent the package they came in with them. They told me to have people call them and they would tell them they weren't hand cut. And that makes sense?
Actually, the only W575-1s that are hand cut are trimmed. They weren't issued in strips or hand cut. They were put in packages, I believe. These were given out in a package as a prize for a membership drive.

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steve B · #8 04-13-2021, 12:22 PM

SGC- Where competence went to die.

Never mind policy, if the new clueless kids you hire to eliminate backlog can't remember simple stuff like "AB backed T206s were mostly cut narrow at the factory" they shouldn't be grading cards. Not at $75 each, not at $25 each.. they should not be grading at all.

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