Hey, pennant guys

Fballguy · #1 04-17-2021, 12:21 PM

As for Greg...His reputation as a PIA and bully predates my dealings with him, but I quickly got to experience this myself. The first incident involved a 1960 All Star Game pennant that had a defect in the graphic that was CLEARLY VISIBLE in the pictures I sent him. Greg is a devil for the details...except when those details ARE SHARED WITH HIM (as evidenced by his recent purchase of a Dallas Texans pennant that looked like it was constructed out of parchment paper and duct tape).

Anyway, the 60 All Star Game pennant was his first return...until I offered to refund $50 (off his already Friends & Family discounted price) and let him keep it. He jumped on that. Annoying for sure, but he's a community member so I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Then in the months following, he proceeded to dictate low ball offers to me and then pitch a fit when I accepted better offers. It was at that point he was added to my "do not sell" list (a list that is comprised of one name). Sadly, I didn't know his ebay user ID so I couldn't block him. And what does this genius do? The genius that thinks I'm dishonest? Last week he buys another of my pennants. I immediately texted a couple people on this forum and said get your popcorn ready because I knew what was coming. The self proclaimed pennant savant did not disappoint.

Just so there's crystal clarity, I have no problem with anyone returning anything I sell. On ebay, I have nearly 4,000 positive feedbacks and zero negatives, earned over 20+ years. I think my reputation speaks for itself. My problem lies clearly and only with one person.

Fballguy · #2 04-17-2021, 12:29 PM

Last word...Greg really thinks he knows the color of every thread Trench ever used. Yet, he can't tell if the spine and tassels are original? This is the mentality you're dealing with if you choose to interact with him (not to mention his arbitrary, hypocritical and self serving rules). Good luck.

thetahat · #3 04-17-2021, 12:42 PM

Oops, accidental duplicate ..

thetahat · #4 04-17-2021, 01:14 PM

Holy s*** this guy is completely unhinged! LOL

I’ll just point out the one gigantic lie above, namely that he didn’t know my eBay ID, as I bought this from him on eBay shortly *after* he sold me the pennant repaired with super glue. (It was last September.) I won’t waste my time boring you with the other stuff, except to say it’s basically a big pile of crazy, if it isn’t already obvious.

But let’s remember how we got here ... he expected me to shrug off an alteration that he didn’t disclose. I simply requested a refund, he agreed to give one to me but not without insulting me in the process. This wasn’t some old lady who skims flea markets and has no experience with this stuff, but a collector who should and does know better. Clearly he was hoping to pass it off to someone who wouldn’t care or know to look for it. I unfortunately spoiled his plans to pull a fast one. Temporarily, I’m sure.

thetahat · #5 04-17-2021, 02:11 PM

And since this liar can’t even quote me accurately, I’ll post my complete email reply to him that discusses the purple thread.

Big difference between saying “Trench never used that color thread” and “... purple thread which I can’t recall ever being used ...” .... and for that matter, only mentioned as what tipped me off that something wasn’t right.

While we’re talking about other red flags, and since this surely isn’t the first or last of your altered-to-flip pennant creations, please also be aware that Trench didn’t knot the ends of each stitch as on this pennant ... this, of course, is why their original tassels often fell out. Something for the rest of you to look for if you’ve purchased from him.

Lastly, as for him sorting through my old posts to try to claim I am self serving ... I have no issue with someone cleaning and even repairing pennants for personal display. I’ve done it. I’ll probably do it again. But I am pretty much exclusively a buyer/collector. The line is drawn when it comes to *selling* them, and simply having the integrity to disclose what you have done. And actually if I ever do sell the few I have fixed up, I’ll do exactly that, even though you’d like to pretend otherwise to convince yourself that you’re actually not morally wrong here.

If it’s no big deal, why not just disclose what you did? Because the answer is obvious.

That’s all I have to say about this, unless it is to disprove more lies.

Fballguy · #6 04-17-2021, 04:07 PM

This guy thinks I have his eBay ID committed to memory because of one sale 7 months ago? I didn�t even know who �Greg Manco� was until Marc B mentioned the name. I asked who that was and he connected the dots to Net54 for me. That was within the past year. I didn�t even realize it was you this time until I printed the shipping label. Get over yourself. You�re not that important Greg.

And I�d love to hear the �super glue� story. This is news to me. Please share the details. I don�t know what�s weirder. That you didn�t mention it at the time (extremely unbelievable) or that you kept hounding me for more pennants right up until just last week.

Fballguy · #7 04-17-2021, 04:22 PM

And if anyone here isn�t happy with a pennant I sold them, by all means let me know. I�d especially like to get my Niners pennants back from Marc B.

thetahat · #8 04-17-2021, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy

This guy thinks I have his eBay ID committed to memory because of one sale 7 months ago? I didn�t even know who �Greg Manco� was until Marc B mentioned the name. I asked who that was and he connected the dots to Net54 for me. That was within the past year. I didn�t even realize it was you this time until I printed the shipping label. Get over yourself. You�re not that important Greg.

And I�d love to hear the �super glue� story. This is news to me. Please share the details. I don�t know what�s weirder. That you didn�t mention it at the time (extremely unbelievable) or that you kept hounding me for more pennants right up until just last week.

Well I said I was done with this unless I had to disprove more lies from this guy, and here I am back again so you know what that means. He claims I never mentioned the glue on the ASG pennant �at the time�. Here�s my email to him upon receiving the ASG pennant, back in September.

Can you please do me a favor and stop lying now?

The one thing I�d fix in that email is my giving him the benefit of the doubt that he acquired it this way. I still have no proof otherwise, except that now I wouldn�t trust him for an accurate weather report if we were both standing outside.

thetahat · #9 04-17-2021, 05:12 PM

Seriously Rob, just stop lying. I could ask you to produce evidence of me throwing a “hissy fit” when you didn’t accept my offers, but of course you can’t, because I didn’t. Just please ... tell ... the ... truth. You’ll find that life is easier that way. I can start forgetting about your very existence and you can resume pushing fugazi Frankenpennants on unknowing eBayers.

Fballguy · #10 04-17-2021, 06:44 PM

You truly are a lunatic. I referenced the defect in the graphic in my earlier response. Can you please go back and circle where you mentioned "Super Glue". Oh what's that? You meant "glue" not "Super Glue"? Are you lying or did you misremember what you had actually said in the email? In Manco Land is only Greg allowed to misremember? All I remembered was that you complained about something that was visible in the picture.

And here's the fun part. I paid $280 for that pennant. I wouldn't have paid $280 if the paint was hanging off as you theorize it must have been. Then I let you have it for $230 and on top of that I refunded another $50! So by all means, if you want to sell me that beautiful pennant for $180, I'll take it. Where do I send the money?

$180 for a 1960 All Star Game pennant that is in otherwise mint condition and you think I'm ripping you off? Prove it by selling it back to me.

And since we're sharing emails, here's my initial reply in which I so egregiously insulted him...though it's odd he'd be offended by being told he's no longer welcome to buy pennants from someone he considers dishonest. Then again, he continued to buy and/or try to buy my pennants long after the 1960 AS Game sale so who knows how this guy thinks.

By all means send it back. As an FYI...I took the spine and tassels off to soak them in Oxy Clean foam. They were pretty dirty but not damaged so I figured they'd clean up nicely which they did. I thought the spine was reattached pretty cleanly but if you're not satisfied, no worries.

It will probably be easier for both of us if you just don't buy anything from me. Seems you have quite a few issues with me (and others). No offense intended. Hope you understand.

PS...I highly recommend Oxi Clean Foam for cleaning tassels and spines. Works fast and doesn't damage the material at all.

thetahat · #11 04-17-2021, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy

You truly are a lunatic. I referenced the defect in the graphic in my earlier response. Can you please go back and circle where you mentioned "Super Glue". Oh what's that? You meant "glue" not "Super Glue"? Are you lying or did you misremember what you had actually said in the email? In Manco Land is only Greg allowed to misremember? All I remembered was that you complained about something that was visible in the picture.

And here's the fun part. I paid $280 for that pennant. I wouldn't have paid $280 if the paint was hanging off as you theorize it must have been. Then I let you have it for $230 and on top of that I refunded another $50! So by all means, if you want to sell me that beautiful pennant for $180, I'll take it. Where do I send the money?

$180 for a 1960 All Star Game pennant that is in otherwise mint condition and you think I'm ripping you off? Prove it by selling it back to me.

And since we're sharing emails, here's my initial reply in which I so egregiously insulted him...though it's odd he'd be offended by being told he's no longer welcome to buy pennants from someone he considers dishonest. Then again, he continued to buy and/or try to buy my pennants long after the 1960 AS Game sale so who knows how this guy thinks.

By all means send it back. As an FYI...I took the spine and tassels off to soak them in Oxy Clean foam. They were pretty dirty but not damaged so I figured they'd clean up nicely which they did. I thought the spine was reattached pretty cleanly but if you're not satisfied, no worries.

It will probably be easier for both of us if you just don't buy anything from me. Seems you have quite a few issues with me (and others). No offense intended. Hope you understand.

PS...I highly recommend Oxi Clean Foam for cleaning tassels and spines. Works fast and doesn't damage the material at all.

Deal. I’ll ABSOLUTELY sell you back the ASG pennant for $180, please add $5 towards shipping, I’ll pay the rest and mail flat. I have it stored in a tub. I was going to sell it soon, but since I actually have integrity, I was going to have to disclose the repair/alteration, thus I was not confident that I would get a good return as a result. So you fixed that for me, thank you. You will surely do much better with it, maybe even get $300-400 or more, since you have clearly demonstrated to be without a conscience and will likely not disclose the issue to potential buyers. And if the buyer actually does bring it to your attention, you can once again pretend not to know about it.

You have my email address, you can send it via PayPal, wait until Monday if you want, I’ll mail on Monday and post the receipt.

Oh and I apologize for not referring to the *type* of glue in my initial email, as if that is relevant, of course I figured you’d do anything but own up to your dishonesty.

Thanks for the purchase,

Greg

P.S. ... If you were so certain upon me buying that altered pennant that I would have an issue with it ... you wrote something about “getting popcorn ready” ... why didn’t you just reach out to me immediately to inform me of what you did to it, let me decide, I would have let you cancel and you could have reposted. You knew full well the shadiness of your own actions, you just hoped someone who didn’t know any better would buy it. Again: we are here right now because you didn’t have the decency to disclose an alteration in a sale. Again: it’s much easier to not be a lowlife.

Fballguy · #12 04-17-2021, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy

This guy thinks I have his eBay ID committed to memory because of one sale 7 months ago? I didn�t even know who �Greg Manco� was until Marc B mentioned the name. I asked who that was and he connected the dots to Net54 for me. That was within the past year. I didn�t even realize it was you this time until I printed the shipping label. Get over yourself. You�re not that important Greg.

And I�d love to hear the �super glue� story. This is news to me. Please share the details. I don�t know what�s weirder. That you didn�t mention it at the time (extremely unbelievable) or that you kept hounding me for more pennants right up until just last week.

And one more note on this...There are numerous people on this forum who can corroborate that the Pennant Almighty has been on my "do not sell" list for months. I'm fine with any of you, if you are so inclined, verifying that. I'd hate for Greg to go on thinking that I lied about not knowing his ebay user ID.

thetahat · #13 04-17-2021, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy

And one more note on this...There are numerous people on this forum who can corroborate that the Pennant Almighty has been on my "do not sell" list for months. I'm fine with any of you, if you are so inclined, verifying that. I'd hate for Greg to go on thinking that I lied about not knowing his ebay user ID.

I could give a s*** if I was on your “do not sell” list. I’m obviously on that list because you can’t sell me altered pennants without me calling you out on it. I take this as a badge of honor. And of course you could have fixed that by just getting in touch with me right after the sale and, you know, actually being upfront and honest about what you did.

Again, we have a deal on that ASG pennant.

Greg

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