National may be in peril

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by Gnep31

Unfortunately, what they don't realize, is they are the research.

Yeah that's true to some extent...obviously rushing a vaccine to the market in less than a year isn't ideal. But neither is letting COVID ravage the globe for years. There are no easy answers to a global pandemic.

Originally Posted by hammertime

Yeah that's true to some extent...obviously rushing a vaccine to the market in less than a year isn't ideal. But neither is letting COVID ravage the globe for years. There are no easy answers to a global pandemic.

Well said.

[perezfan]

Maybe we should all attend the National as "Bubble Boys". Then we can ditch the masks and vaccinations, so everyone can be at ease...

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by hammertime

Yeah that's true to some extent...obviously rushing a vaccine to the market in less than a year isn't ideal. But neither is letting COVID ravage the globe for years. There are no easy answers to a global pandemic.

Very true. Considering how polarizing so many things related to COVID have become (vaccines, masks, etc), the fact the the US has administered the most vaccine shots of any country is amazing. While the vaccines were definitely approved in significantly less time than vaccines normally would be, the hope is (and the results so far show) that the benefits outweigh the risks. Even with the J&J vaccine, the risk of blood clots caused by the vaccine is much lower than the risk of blood clots caused by getting COVID.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Very true. Considering how polarizing so many things related to COVID have become (vaccines, masks, etc), the fact the the US has administered the most vaccine shots of any country is amazing. While the vaccines were definitely approved in significantly less time than vaccines normally would be, the hope is (and the results so far show) that the benefits outweigh the risks. Even with the J&J vaccine, the risk of blood clots caused by the vaccine is much lower than the risk of blood clots caused by getting COVID.

Assuming that the longer times a 'normal' approval would take really mitigates the risk. Maybe the 'new normal' (as the phrase goes) should be faster approvals? Or maybe that every single drug commercial has the caveat of 'do not take this drug if you are allergic to it' might be an indicator as to where we think we need to be with mitigating risk?

Originally Posted by jayshum

Very true. Considering how polarizing so many things related to COVID have become (vaccines, masks, etc), the fact the the US has administered the most vaccine shots of any country is amazing. While the vaccines were definitely approved in significantly less time than vaccines normally would be, the hope is (and the results so far show) that the benefits outweigh the risks. Even with the J&J vaccine, the risk of blood clots caused by the vaccine is much lower than the risk of blood clots caused by getting COVID.

Exactly right. Better than the alternative of having COVID. I've had both COVID and the vaccines. There are small risks with every vaccine. Nothing is 100%. Birth control pills aren't even 100%. Not even sure what the argument on here except someone wants to always have the last word. LOL. Bottom line is if you are worried about the risk don't go. Have the convention for those who can go and want to go. If that bothers you stay home and feel good that you have advised everyone else on how to handle the pandemic.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Wimberleycardcollector

Exactly right. Better than the alternative of having COVID. I've had both COVID and the vaccines. There are small risks with every vaccine. Nothing is 100%. Birth control pills aren't even 100%. Not even sure what the argument on here except someone wants to always have the last word. LOL. Bottom line is if you are worried about the risk don't go. Have the convention for those who can go and want to go. If that bothers you stay home and feel good that you have advised everyone else on how to handle the pandemic.

I work with a dude who nearly died of Covid. Want to know why? Brother of a guy we work with went to the Sturgis rally. Was exposed. Came home and then gave it to his wife, who in turn gave it to my buddy and his wife. And my friend, now better, almost gave up the ghost.

So the idiot who went to Sturgis gave it to a guy who has never stepped foot in South Dakota.

The decisions we make can affect other people. Why that is such a difficult thing for people to grasp with a communicable disease I don't know.

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I work with a dude who nearly died of Covid. Want to know why? Brother of a guy we work with went to the Sturgis rally. Was exposed. Came home and then gave it to his wife, who in turn gave it to my buddy and his wife. And my friend, now better, almost gave up the ghost.

So the idiot who went to Sturgis gave it to a guy who has never stepped foot in South Dakota.

The decisions we make can affect other people. Why that is such a difficult thing for people to grasp with a communicable disease I don't know.

I grasp it just fine. I had COVID bad for several weeks, five days with a fever of 102. Got it three days after my first vaccine shot. I'm at high risk too. Type 1 Diabetic and immune system compromised. No fault of mine I got it. Followed protocols to a tee since last March. Contracted it in late January this year. Some one gave it to me but I'm not butt hurt about it. I also haven't lived my life in a bubble. You act like your the only one who has been affected by this pandemic and that you know everything. I know two people that have died from it. Both were obese and had heart issues. Have you had it? All I'm saying is stop trying to tell everyone else to live like you. Don't want to get out and go places? Stay your ass at home but don't criticize others who don't want to do that and stop preaching to everyone about how stupid they are for not being like you.