I've Acquired the ENTIRE 1919-21 W514 Set! Babe Ruth, Shoeless Joe, Black Sox +++

darkhorse9 · #1 05-02-2021, 09:26 AM

I must admit that it's a bit unnerving to have someone show a complete set of a century old set and then brag about how good he is at creating fakes of the set.

No accusations. Just...unusual.

mouschi · #2 05-02-2021, 03:55 PM

Guys, thank you all - seriously - for the responses! I really appreciate it

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Originally Posted by darkhorse9

I must admit that it's a bit unnerving to have someone show a complete set of a century old set and then brag about how good he is at creating fakes of the set.

No accusations. Just...unusual.

== I hope to be an entertainer and teacher in this hobby (I am certainly entertained, and a student, to it myself!), as well as an easily accessible resource for people to help *not* get duped by fakes running rampant, so you can feel safe and rest assured zero funny business will occur from me. But you summed me up in one word at the end ... unusual!

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Originally Posted by GoCubsGo32

Congrats! Very interesting connection between the original Conlon photos & the set! Love your passion.

I'll tell ya what, those KOTH are something else. Dang ol' masterpiece man. Yup.

Dang ol' man! Haha - thanks! I should note that Forever Young on this very website is the one that posted on my Babe Ruth thread about the Conlon connection. He even has some type 1 photos - simply amazing stuff!

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Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9

I hope Tanner you might look at the 1916-20 UNC Big Heads as a future project. Some folks like them, some not.

Hey are definitely worth a look! An incredibly interesting issue!

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Originally Posted by Harliduck

As a buyer and collector, and NOT a seller, I think your crazy to part with these. Great post, great stories, great history! Keep em...they are worth more than money...

Thank you! My wife is telling me I should hang onto them for a while as well. I'm still undecided - movement is what excites me. Whether that means just keeping the Ruth, keeping the Ruth & 8 Men Out, or keeping all, I am just not sure yet. They sure are fun to look at for now, though!

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Originally Posted by Kevin

My stars, I�m blown away. In the late 80s I had a cardboard box filled with these cards in my parents� basement. Haunts me to this day...maybe I�ll fly out to the National this year and see if I can snag one of these...

Good luck! They are not difficult to find - some commons can be had for about $20 in decent shape.

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Originally Posted by brianp-beme

After the Ruth you showed in your other thread it is great to see the original Conlon photos that the W514 Cobb, Mathewson and Jackson cards were based upon as well.

And nice 121st Man Out card of Fred McMullin.

Brian

Thanks! This was totally inspired by Forever Young on the forums here - he is the one that made mention of the connection.

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Originally Posted by christopher.herman

Congrats!! I am one away from completing this set myself. I just need Hornsby and I'm done.

Sweet!!!! Congratulations! I merely bought mine minus one, so you actually building it is far more impressive.

bnorth · #3 05-02-2021, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mouschi

Thank you! My wife is telling me I should hang onto them for a while as well. I'm still undecided - movement is what excites me. Whether that means just keeping the Ruth, keeping the Ruth & 8 Men Out, or keeping all, I am just not sure yet. They sure are fun to look at for now, though!

I also used to like the chase. I have owned a lot of the bigger cards. Then would sell them to buy others and kept repeating. I called it renting cards.

68Hawk · #4 05-02-2021, 06:51 PM

Ok Mouschi, here's the next thing I'd like to know about this set and it will take some mighty sleuthing....

There's quite a variance in the quality of the artwork on these cards, some have been given very limited detail and others appear quite naturalistic for the style.
I'm thinking these weren't done by the one artist sitting down and going from Conlon to Conlon and tracing and filling characteristics, but by a few different hands.

Have you come across anything that speaks to the creators of the artwork?

brianp-beme · #5 05-02-2021, 06:58 PM

"Thank you! My wife is telling me I should hang onto them for a while as well. I'm still undecided - movement is what excites me. Whether that means just keeping the Ruth, keeping the Ruth & 8 Men Out, or keeping all, I am just not sure yet. They sure are fun to look at for now, though!"

I think you would be more likely to hang onto them longer if you were to continue to search for the source photos used for the artwork, whether Conlon or not. If you were to do so, I would think it would almost become, at least in your mind, a set that you personally created, or at least creatively rediscovered, especially if you continue to share your efforts. I had a similar feeling when tracking down matching facial artwork seen in the E91A and E91B sets.

Brian

robw1959 · #6 05-02-2021, 07:11 PM

You sure had some fun with this post! I have exactly two W514 cards: an SGC "Authentic" George Sisler and an SGC 6 card of Grover Cleveland Alexander. The artwork is hit and miss for the most part, I think, but I do like those two.

mouschi · #7 05-03-2021, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

I also used to like the chase. I have owned a lot of the bigger cards. Then would sell them to buy others and kept repeating. I called it renting cards.

I feel that at a heart level, haha! I seriously don't really think of any I have as lifers. If I had an unreal amount of money, I'd keep a lot of stuff, but I don't, so I need to recycle. Catch & release!

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Originally Posted by 68Hawk

Ok Mouschi, here's the next thing I'd like to know about this set and it will take some mighty sleuthing....

There's quite a variance in the quality of the artwork on these cards, some have been given very limited detail and others appear quite naturalistic for the style.
I'm thinking these weren't done by the one artist sitting down and going from Conlon to Conlon and tracing and filling characteristics, but by a few different hands.

Have you come across anything that speaks to the creators of the artwork?

This would definitely be interesting to research more. The knowledge I have at the moment is limited to what I've written about here, but that sounds like a fun project to tackle!

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Originally Posted by brianp-beme

"Thank you! My wife is telling me I should hang onto them for a while as well. I'm still undecided - movement is what excites me. Whether that means just keeping the Ruth, keeping the Ruth & 8 Men Out, or keeping all, I am just not sure yet. They sure are fun to look at for now, though!"

I think you would be more likely to hang onto them longer if you were to continue to search for the source photos used for the artwork, whether Conlon or not. If you were to do so, I would think it would almost become, at least in your mind, a set that you personally created, or at least creatively rediscovered, especially if you continue to share your efforts. I had a similar feeling when tracking down matching facial artwork seen in the E91A and E91B sets.

Brian

I think that is quite possibly true - would be cool to somehow display each card next to the photographs they were based off of!

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Originally Posted by robw1959

You sure had some fun with this post! I have exactly two W514 cards: an SGC "Authentic" George Sisler and an SGC 6 card of Grover Cleveland Alexander. The artwork is hit and miss for the most part, I think, but I do like those two.

I agree - I used to see strip cards as a whole as being "ugly", but drilling down into them, I really like the W514 set, and now knowing several (if not all) were based on photos really brings them to life for me.

pitburgfan · #8 05-03-2021, 10:05 AM

I was able to complete this set a little over a year ago with the help of a Net54 member. I searched for the last card for almost a year to include posting it here in the BST section before a member contacted me at Christmas time and sent me the last card I needed for free. I now have 2 Jake Daubert's and would never part with the one sent to me. Congrats on completing the set. If you decide to sell I am always looking to upgrade some of mine.

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