Will you get vaccinated against COVID once it's available?

Peter_Spaeth · #1 05-12-2021, 11:29 AM

I am guessing that most of us ingest all sorts of stuff every day that hasn't really been studied extensively for long term safety. And may never be.

I wonder how many regular smokers are skeptical of the vaccine's safety?

packs · #2 05-12-2021, 11:38 AM

I'm just curious why creeping doubt about remote side effects only comes into consciousness about this particular vaccine. I have no doubt that there are a bunch of members who take all kinds of prescription medication with all kinds of warnings on the bottles about the remote possibilities of side effects. Why does a remote chance of a negative reaction only bother you vis a vis the vaccine?

Peter_Spaeth · #3 05-12-2021, 11:50 AM

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I'm just curious why creeping doubt about remote side effects only comes into consciousness about this particular vaccine. I have no doubt that there are a bunch of members who take all kinds of prescription medication with all kinds of warnings on the bottles about the remote possibilities of side effects. Why does a remote chance of a negative reaction only bother you vis a vis the vaccine?

Maybe because it's a political position justified by a sounds-good mantra divorced from the science?

As to those who raise the straw man of final FDA approval, consider fen-phen. Among other drugs later withdrawn from the market.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 05-12-2021, 11:52 AM

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I'm just curious why creeping doubt about remote side effects only comes into consciousness about this particular vaccine. I have no doubt that there are a bunch of members who take all kinds of prescription medication with all kinds of warnings on the bottles about the remote possibilities of side effects. Why does a remote chance of a negative reaction only bother you vis a vis the vaccine?

In some cases not so remote, my friend. There are many thousands of people effed up by using drugs as prescribed. Nothing is perfectly safe, probably not even a Diet Coke.

How much "long term safety" data, by the way, do people think the FDA has when they APPROVE a drug? Not necessarily that much.

vintagetoppsguy · #5 05-12-2021, 12:36 PM

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I'm just curious why creeping doubt about remote side effects only comes into consciousness about this particular vaccine.

It's not necessarily the vaccine itself, but the fact that we were lied to from the very beginning over the whole Covid situation.

earlywynnfan · #6 05-12-2021, 12:43 PM

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It's not necessarily the vaccine itself, but the fact that we were lied to from the very beginning over the whole Covid situation.

I agree! "In two weeks this will all fade away" did a lot of harm to the debate

packs · #7 05-12-2021, 12:51 PM

We're talking about getting the vaccine. My question is about the vaccine itself not any kind of politics or personal feelings about the pandemic.

Peter_Spaeth · #8 05-12-2021, 12:51 PM

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I agree! "In two weeks this will all fade away" did a lot of harm to the debate

In fairness, the sky is falling world is ending coverage of some of the media wasn't that helpful either.

earlywynnfan · #9 05-12-2021, 12:56 PM

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In fairness, the sky is falling world is ending coverage of some of the media wasn't that helpful either.

Totally agree.

Leon · #10 05-12-2021, 01:26 PM

So here is a thought. Everyone now has the opportunity to get the vaccine if they want it.
Why not? Everything should be opened 100%. Those that didn't get the vaccine are happy, we that did are happy...it's a happy place.

Since my 2nd shot a few weeks ago I find myself wearing my mask less but still wear it every day to most places. Again, to each their own.

My daughter the stats major isn't getting one yet either even though I have told her my thoughts and I think she should.

In response to David, right above. This is a fluid situation and the ebbs and flows of the pandemic are expected. I am NOT a doomsayer but just go by the overwhelming science of it. I also think, at this point, everyone should get to do what they want.

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vintagetoppsguy · #11 05-12-2021, 01:22 PM

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I agree! "In two weeks this will all fade away" did a lot of harm to the debate

It went from "two weeks to flatten the curve" to "I'll need to see your vaccine card before you can...(fill in the blank)" all within one year.

But I was referring more to the constant flip flop regarding effectiveness of masks, whether the disease could be transmitted via contaminated surfaces, even to the fact that the WHO came out and initially said there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission.

Also the inconsistency in testing. When a goat and a pawpaw test positive for Covid and one doesn't question that, then they are indeed brainwashed.

And not to get political, but even statements from NY political leaders:

"This disease, even if you were to get it, basically acts like a common cold or flu. And transmission is not that easy." - NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio - February 10th 2020

"We know that there is currently no indication that it's easy to transmit by casual contact. There's no need to do any special anything in the community. We want New Yorkers to go about their daily lives - ride the subway, take the bus, go see your neighbors." - NYC Health Commissioner Dr. Oxiris Barbot, MD - March 2, 2020

�There's really no need to panic and avoid activities that we always do as New Yorkers.� - I don�t know who this moron is, but he obviously has some kind of leadership position. - February 2, 2020

I could go on and on. But surely some can see why one would question the vaccine given so much misinformation.

packs · #12 05-12-2021, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

It went from "two weeks to flatten the curve" to "I'll need to see your vaccine card before you can...(fill in the blank)" all within one year.

But I was referring more to the constant flip flop regarding effectiveness of masks, whether the disease could be transmitted via contaminated surfaces, even to the fact that the WHO came out and initially said there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission.

Also the inconsistency in testing. When a goat and a pawpaw test positive for Covid and one doesn't question that, then they are indeed brainwashed.

And not to get political, but even statements from NY political leaders:

"This disease, even if you were to get it, basically acts like a common cold or flu. And transmission is not that easy." - NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio - February 10th 2020

"We know that there is currently no indication that it's easy to transmit by casual contact. There's no need to do any special anything in the community. We want New Yorkers to go about their daily lives - ride the subway, take the bus, go see your neighbors." - NYC Health Commissioner Dr. Oxiris Barbot, MD - March 2, 2020

�There's really no need to panic and avoid activities that we always do as New Yorkers.� - I don�t know who this moron is, but he obviously has some kind of leadership position. - February 2, 2020

I could go on and on. But surely some can see why one would question the vaccine given so much misinformation.

But if you had this same skepticism about all medication there wouldn't be any medication to take. Why is the vaccine different?

Peter_Spaeth · #13 05-12-2021, 01:32 PM

Many people said many stupid things along the way, but overall the arc has been one of learning as we go from experience, not a vast conspiracy, I think.

vintagetoppsguy · #14 05-12-2021, 01:36 PM

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But if you had this same skepticism about all medication there wouldn't be any medication to take. Why is the vaccine different?

Because it's new. I've said (and others have said too) once it's been around for a while and it's been determined there are no long term side effects, I'll more than likely get it.

Republicaninmass · #15 05-12-2021, 01:39 PM

Very first time an RNA vaccine is brought to market is for this virulent form of the common cold. Very first large scale human phase III "trial". Mrna should revolutionize medicine, I hope it does. No denying its virulent, no denying it's a form of the common cold.

Why do we call the old yearly vaccine choice a flu "shot" when it is a vaccine? Kind of confusing compared to other vaccines, the ones we dont ask side effects of, polio, measles, etc we get once and are immune for life. Will this one work the same?

I cant remember anyone being singled out as an anti-vaxxer for not opting for a flu shot

earlywynnfan · #16 05-12-2021, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am guessing that most of us ingest all sorts of stuff every day that hasn't really been studied extensively for long term safety. And may never be.

I wonder how many regular smokers are skeptical of the vaccine's safety?

You better not be knocking my chili dog addiction!

Peter_Spaeth · #17 05-12-2021, 11:55 AM

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You better not be knocking my chili dog addiction!

Now that might be worth the risk.

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