Will you get vaccinated against COVID once it's available?

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Let's turn it around. Have you ever in your lifetime seen so much persuasiveness to take a vaccine?

Evidently the "persuasiveness" isn't very persuasive, at least to you, which is kind of funny because most (if not all) of the people you voted for, and those you probably watch and listen to on TV have all "been persuaded", even though they campaign with their own "persuasiveness" against you doing so.

I'm older than you, so when I reference my lifetime it encompasses yours. I travel for a living (nearly 5 million miles during my career, half of it on the ground) and in MY lifetime, I have never experienced anything that CLOSED the entire world to my multi-billion dollar business that employs millions of people worldwide.

This isn't a Democrat vs Rumpublican based political issue, none of my friends in Adelaide, Australia; Sao Paulo, Brazil; Eindhoven, Holland; St. John's, Newfoundland; Tokyo, Japan; Kerikeri, New Zealand; etc. care in the slightest that for the first time in my life I agree with Liz Cheney.

And they also don't care that you probably don't.

This thread is getting tired, let's discuss something else we might eventually agree on like abortion or the death penalty.

Doug "If there is a God, she Hates Us All" Goodman

[Peter_Spaeth]

In the US it does, for whatever reason, seem to be a political issue. I would be willing to bet there is a pretty good statistical correlation between position on the vaccine and party affiliation. Indeed I recently saw a rather startling statistic on the percentage of people who call themselves Republicans who don't intend to get it.

Not unusual for America I suppose. For example, you would think which person you believe in a he said she said sexual assault case would probably correlate more with your sex than anything else, but if the alleged perpetrator is a political figure (e.g. a Supreme Court nominee), party affiliation becomes a huge factor. The irony there is when the next accused is from the other party, everyone changes sides.

[irv]

Follow the science.

How many times have they flip flopped on this vaccine?? I have honestly lost count, but that also goes with the rest of the narrative. From masks don't do anything to wear 2, it's on surfaces to no its not. I could go on here but it's a waste of time.
Everyone up here also seems to have forgotten that the original advice was to get both shots within a couple/few weeks of each other to be effective, but because our Federal gov't didn't procure enough, they say waiting up to 4 months now or longer is OK too????

Ontario will no longer offer first doses of AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine

TORONTO -- Ontario will no longer offer first doses of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine due to an increase in reports of rare blood clots.

The announcement was made by Ontario’s Chief Medical Officer of Health Dr. David Williams on Tuesday afternoon.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-w...cine-1.5423379

Now our Federal gov't, again, because he didn't procure enough vaccines, is talking about mixing them but yet there is no confirmed/verified data about the health risks nor if mixing them will actually do anything???

I'm sure the "science" will come out and eventually tell us mixing them is OK, but I imagine, just like the AstraZeneca vaccine, in a few weeks, they will tell us differently.
https://www.cp24.com/news/u-k-study-...ines-1.5425549

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipUn5goyM2I

What a mess!

[tschock]

To those on all sides of the 'speed to market' issue of the vaccine, maybe we should serious consider this: Are we taking too much time to approve everything else?

[Republicaninmass]

"All SUNY and CUNY schools will require vaccinations for all in-person students beginning Fall 2021. This requirement is subject to the FDA providing a full approval for the vaccine, beyond the current emergency use authorization. Certain medical and religious exemptions will be permitted. "


Yes you gotta have faith a-faith a-faith!

I have a feeling we see some growth in religious catagories

[irv]

B.C. man has part of small intestine removed due to vaccine-induced blood clot

"I really wish they had let us know what “worse case scenario” might look like...""


https://www.torontosun.com/news/loca...f-81de5fd6d4c0

Manitoba Chief Microbiologist and Laboratory Specialist: 56% of positive “cases” are not infectious

"PCR testing was invented to find genetic viral material in a sample and has not traditionally been used as the sole method for identifying people suffering from a viral or bacterial disease"

And of course the media spin, or what they tell you.

"Finally, it should be noted that some Canadian news agencies have quoted Dr. Bullard as testifying that a positive PCR tests indicates infectivity 99.9% of the time. This is incorrect. Rather, Dr. Bullard testified that a PCR test will detect any viral RNA that is present in a sample 99.9% of the time. However, Dr. Bullard testified that determining whether or not a sample is actually infectious (containing a viable virus, capable of replicating) needs to be confirmed by lab culture. As noted, only 44% of the “positive” samples using a Ct of 18 returned a viable lab culture. Samples tested at a Ct of over 25, according to Dr. Bullard’s report, produced no viable lab cultures"

https://www.jccf.ca/manitoba-chief-m...7YnWc-PlDM2I18

[vintagetoppsguy]

Bill Maher diagnosed with Covid...after being fully vaccinated.

[frankbmd]

I participated in the first clinical trial of the Salk Polio Vaccine. I don't think I ever found out whether I got the real deal or a placebo, but I didn't get polio.

The mRNA vaccines (which are new) have been created and released in warp speed because they have been working on the methodology for nearly 20 years in the lab. The timing of COVID was fortuitous, allowing the vaccines to be introduced quickly. At this point they seem to be some of the most effective vaccines ever made.

The standard "flu shot" is a bit of a crap shoot after they spin to roulette wheel to pick which one to recommend. With mRNA the vaccine is much more specific for the target disease. It's not 100%, but very little in medicine is. I had no hesitation to get Pfizered. My risk is reduced for both getting the disease, getting hospitalized and getting buried.

I wore a mask in the operating room for thirty years. Not sure how effective they were, but they did keep my saliva out the wound. My glasses fell into a belly once though. I believe the mask mania has been excessive. I have played golf daily (almost) for the last year without a mask. The better safe than sorry argument is a bit difficult to defend regarding masks. The anti-vaxxers are on thin ice as well in my opinion.

I suspect that the risk of law suits has something to do with businesses being more than willing to be compliant with government recommendations. I do comply as well when I go to the post office and grocery store though. I did go to an upscale restaurant recently and was called out for removing my mask before I was seated. We were able to eat without masks, even between bites.

If you scare folks consistently they ultimately will accept fear as their modus operandi. Messaging during the COVID era has been remarkably poor, which is most unfortunate. Give me the information without the politics and garbage and let me freely choose how much risk I'm willing to take.

When HIV hit in the eighties, as a surgeon, I felt more endangered personally in the operating room working on HIV patients than I do now regarding COVID.

I have not read this thread, so if this is all redundant, I apologize.
I am a retired board certified general surgeon, not that that matters.
The cards i have listed in BST come from a COVID free home.

[Peter_Spaeth]

There were serious doubts about the polio vaccine too.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...accine/303946/

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

In the US it does, for whatever reason, seem to be a political issue. I would be willing to bet there is a pretty good statistical correlation between position on the vaccine and party affiliation. Indeed I recently saw a rather startling statistic on the percentage of people who call themselves Republicans who don't intend to get it.

I think the correlation is more along the lines of people who think for themselves being less likely to take it, as opposed to people who blindly do what they are told.

For the record, I think for myself and decided to get the shots.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not unusual for America I suppose. For example, you would think which person you believe in a he said she said sexual assault case would probably correlate more with your sex than anything else, but if the alleged perpetrator is a political figure (e.g. a Supreme Court nominee), party affiliation becomes a huge factor.

I think the correlation here is that people who think for themselves see an accusation, brought forward for the first time 35 years after the fact, where even the accusers own witnesses said it didn't happen, has little merit, while people who blindly follow their party are willing to destroy a person's career.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The irony there is when the next accused is from the other party, everyone changes sides.

I disagree. I could give a clear example but I'd be violating a rule.

[Peter_Spaeth]

And I could give all sorts of examples where the accused's party affiliation correlated very strongly with who was for him and who was against him.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Mark17

I think the correlation here is that people who think for themselves see an accusation, brought forward for the first time 35 years after the fact, where even the accusers own witnesses said it didn't happen, has little merit, while people who blindly follow their party are willing to destroy a person's career.

+1

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If the efficacy rate is 95 percent, which is incredibly high for any vaccine, and countless millions of people get it, then of course there are going to be high numbers of people who still get infected. Your point is?

Or maybe people who need emergency life saving surgery shouldn't get it because it only has a 95 percent chance of saving their life.

Seem odd to you, Peter? 8 from the "same team" all contract covid after being fully vaccinated. Is that a 95% efficacy rate?
Again, is there any proof whatsoever that these vaccines are actually doing anything?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/...cases-n1267332
Here's another one.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/art...s-16172770.php

I've heard this but never posted it because I couldn't verify it but it seems like what I am hearing is true, that the CDC, and some other medical officials, for some reason (???) are trying to hide these breakthrough cases?

"At the start of May, the CDC shifted from monitoring all reported breakthroughs to only those that result in hospitalization or death, Tom Clark, head of the vaccine evaluation unit for the CDC’s vaccine task force, said in an interview"
https://fortune.com/2021/05/10/can-y...cases-tracing/