Hey, pennant guys

UKCardGuy · #1 05-13-2021, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Domer05

Gary: I think it could be as old as the 1910s; but it could be as new as the 1930s. It's actually a very common souvenir pennant--despite its vintage. You'll see two other equally common pennants of similar construction--all sewed letters: "Niagara Falls" and "Atlantic City". Your Gettysburg pennant seems to match these right down to the font.

If so, they're all by Trench and they were issued ca. 1929, according to my catalogue by them.

Thanks. That's really helpful. Any chance you could post a photo of the page in the Trench catalog?

I know it's not a very valuable pennant. I picked it up in a lot that included the Green White Sox Pennant in Post #5149. For me it's an opportunity to learn about the construction of the early pennants before spending money on an expensive one some day (e.g. an early Detroit Tigers pennant).

Domer05 · #2 05-13-2021, 09:43 PM

Gary: Here's an excerpt showing the Atlantic City and Niagara Falls souvenir pennants I mentioned.

Looks like, in 1929, Trench offered these in three sizes: 9" x 24"; 9" x 32"; and 10" x 36". Perhaps your Gettysburg pennant fits one of these dimensions?

ooo-ribay · #3 05-14-2021, 07:16 AM

All wool, sewn letters, oversized....about a buck apiece. Of course, few people had a dollar in 1929.

UKCardGuy · #4 05-15-2021, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Domer05

Gary: Here's an excerpt showing the Atlantic City and Niagara Falls souvenir pennants I mentioned.

Looks like, in 1929, Trench offered these in three sizes: 9" x 24"; 9" x 32"; and 10" x 36". Perhaps your Gettysburg pennant fits one of these dimensions?

Thanks for that. My pennant measures 34" x 11 1/2" so maybe it's by Trench but from a different year?

UKCardGuy · #5 05-15-2021, 07:29 AM

I could use some assistance please. I picked up this '59 White Sox Pennant kind of by accident. (Well I hit "bid" on my phone before getting to have a good look at the photos - if that's an accident).

When I had a better look at the photos, I was expecting it to be a Mitchell and Ness reproduction. It's just been delivered and I'm not sure. I found a few other auctions of the same pennant that show it as vintage 1959. I also haven't been able to find a Mitchell and Ness pennant of this one.

I'd value your thoughts on this one....real or repro?

perezfan · #6 05-15-2021, 09:15 AM

It's good. Not an M&N. Years ago, there was a pretty big "find" of '59 Chisox Pennants.

It is authentic to the era, but what they call "new old stock" meaning it was made in 1959, but was likely stashed away in storage and never put into circulation. Nice pennant.

UKCardGuy · #7 05-15-2021, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

It's good. Not an M&N. Years ago, there was a pretty big "find" of '59 Chisox Pennants.

It is authentic to the era, but what they call "new old stock" meaning it was made in 1959, but was likely stashed away in storage and never put into circulation. Nice pennant.

Thanks Mark. That's made my day.

ooo-ribay · #8 05-15-2021, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Thanks for that. My pennant measures 34" x 11 1/2" so maybe it's by Trench but from a different year?

No offense meant, Gary, but the Gettysburg looks way to pristine to be 100 years old. Just my opinion.

UKCardGuy · #9 05-15-2021, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

No offense meant, Gary, but the Gettysburg looks way to pristine to be 100 years old. Just my opinion.

No offense at all. I got with a few other pennants and thought it would something to learn from. Any thoughts on it's origin and age?

thetahat · #10 05-15-2021, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

No offense at all. I got with a few other pennants and thought it would something to learn from. Any thoughts on it's origin and age?

Most early 1900s pennants are heavy and extremely durable. Almost all of my oversized baseball pennants from that era have an army blanket-like feel to them. Also the stitches tends to be very tight and small, which is why you usually see these with tassels intact and the spine firmly attached. Some even have the stitching at the top and bottom of the spine (i.e. along all four edges). With sewn on logo and letters there is no cracking, seemingly the only real threat to condition are moths, which do seem to like the old fabric.

That Gettysburg pennant sure seems like it’s around 100 years old to me, but would defer to Domer for a more accurate estimate.

ooo-ribay · #11 05-16-2021, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by thetahat

Most early 1900s pennants are heavy and extremely durable. Almost all of my oversized baseball pennants from that era have an army blanket-like feel to them. Also the stitches tends to be very tight and small, which is why you usually see these with tassels intact and the spine firmly attached. Some even have the stitching at the top and bottom of the spine (i.e. along all four edges). With sewn on logo and letters there is no cracking, seemingly the only real threat to condition are moths, which do seem to like the old fabric.

That Gettysburg pennant sure seems like it�s around 100 years old to me, but would defer to Domer for a more accurate estimate.

Sounds reasonable to me. How would I know? It�s not like I actually own any oversized pennants.

At any rate, it�s in fantastic condition!

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