Will you get vaccinated against COVID once it's available?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

And that's a stupid fucking answer. When I was in the Army, I worked in an Army hospital. I have received more vaccines in a matter of just a few years than you've received in your lifetime. Wanna bet? I'll open up my vaccine card and show you. I've also given more vaccines than most doctors have in their lifetime...literally thousands to soldiers going to Bosnia and Croatia came through my line (which seemed never ending) for weeks at a time. Never once when I received a vaccine did I ever scratch my head and wonder if 'ol Johnny got one too. And when I was administering vaccines did I care which soldiers received them and which ones didn't. So cut the compassion for fellow human beings bullshit.

David just because you have no humanity doesn't mean others don't. Revealing post though.
Besides, it's very inconvenient to have a world functioning suboptimally, so there's a totally selfish justification.

Edit thank you for serving and I say that with all sincerity.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

David just because you have no humanity doesn't mean others don't. Revealing post though.
Besides, it's very inconvenient to have a world functioning suboptimally, so there's a totally selfish justification.

Edit thank you for serving and I say that with all sincerity.

I have humanity, but I'm also realistic. My vaccine card is nearly 20 years old. It has Smallpox, Polio, Tet-Dipth, Typhoid, Meningitis, Adenovirus, Plague #1, Plague #2, Rubella and a lot more that I just can't read - and some of them more than once. I don't know what most of that stuff even is. I bet you the Army still vaccinates against those same things today - 20 years later (especially for their hospital workers).

And here is where I'm realistic. A vaccine (even if 100% effective) is not going to make a pandemic end. If the Army still vaccinates against those diseases listed above, and I'm pretty sure they do, it's for one reason: they never went away. But if you (and others) want to think this pandemic is just going to go away with some magical vaccine, by all means believe that.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I have humanity, but I'm also realistic. My vaccine card is nearly 20 years old. It has Smallpox, Polio, Tet-Dipth, Typhoid, Meningitis, Adenovirus, Plague #1, Plague #2, Rubella and a lot more that I just can't read - and some of them more than once. I don't know what most of that stuff even is. I bet you the Army still vaccinates against those same things today - 20 years later (especially for their hospital workers).

And here is where I'm realistic. A vaccine (even if 100% effective) is not going to make a pandemic end. If the Army still vaccinates against those diseases listed above, and I'm pretty sure they do, it's for one reason: they never went away. But if you (and others) want to think this pandemic is just going to go away with some magical vaccine, by all means believe that.

Polio and smallpox were essentially eradicated. It can happen. Realistically it may not because too many will hold out, but it can still be greatly greatly reduced.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Polio and smallpox were essentially eradicated. It can happen.

Essentially eradicated? But they do still exist, no?

[Peter_Spaeth]

US has not had a polio case for 40 plus years.

As to smallpox
The last naturally occurring case of smallpox was reported in 1977. In 1980, the World Health Organization declared that smallpox had been eradicated. Currently, there is no evidence of naturally occurring smallpox transmission anywhere in the world.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

US has not had a polio case for 40 plus years.

Depends on how you look at it. The US hasn't had a case originate in the US in over 40 years. But surely you know that cases have been brought into the US by foreign travelers?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Depends on how you look at it. The US hasn't had a case originate in the US in over 40 years. But surely you know that cases have been brought into the US by foreign travelers?

A few, yes.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

In 1980, the World Health Organization declared that smallpox had been eradicated.

In January of 2020, the World Health Origination also decarded that there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission of Covid. But if the WHO is a source for information for you, I won't argue.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

In January of 2020, the World Health Origination also decarded that there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission of Covid. But if the WHO is a source for information for you, I won't argue.

There must be some right wing organization that made the same declaration.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Polio and smallpox were essentially eradicated. It can happen. Realistically it may not because too many will hold out, but it can still be greatly greatly reduced.

Don't forget the flu! It's disappeared in 2021. We did it guys.

I just can't believe we've finally FOUND a cure for a virlent form of the common cold!

Science is progressing at a rapid pace

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You've got it all figured out Dale. Now tell me the flaws in the studies. Oh wait, science is just part of the conspiracy, damn I forgot.

I assume you are referring to peer reviewed studies where the peer, if he/she doesn't like the result because it doesn't jive with the narrative nor fit the agenda, is tossed out?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by irv

I assume you are referring to peer reviewed studies where the peer, if he/she doesn't like the result because it doesn't jive with the narrative nor fit the agenda, is tossed out?

Feel free to point out the flaws instead of spewing your BS and agenda driven soundbites. Ironically, your post is describing yourself to a tee -- because the studies don't fit YOUR narrative, you apparently reject them even though I am sure you haven't read them.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Feel free to point out the flaws instead of spewing your BS and agenda driven soundbites. Ironically, your post is describing yourself to a tee -- because the studies don't fit YOUR narrative, you apparently reject them even though I am sure you haven't read them.

You do you, Peter, and I'll do me. How's that?

Eight people from the New York Yankees organization tested positive, despite having been fully vaccinated.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/14/s...t-to-know.html

Family left with questions after Brampton senior's death.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...ive-days-later

Langley-area man loses 2 metres of intestine after a blood clot following his AstraZeneca jab

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...fect-1.6027830

Some healthcare workers refuse to take COVID-19 vaccine, even with priority access.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...vaccine-access

I could list dozens more, and you know that, but what's the point as I'll just be called a conspiracy theorist and a strawman arguer or whatever other names you can come up with to shame me for pointing out the other side of the story that is rarely, if ever talked about, unless you look it up for yourself.

[packs]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I have humanity, but I'm also realistic. My vaccine card is nearly 20 years old. It has Smallpox, Polio, Tet-Dipth, Typhoid, Meningitis, Adenovirus, Plague #1, Plague #2, Rubella and a lot more that I just can't read - and some of them more than once. I don't know what most of that stuff even is. I bet you the Army still vaccinates against those same things today - 20 years later (especially for their hospital workers).

Why did you get those vaccines if you didn't know what they were or why you were getting them?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by packs

Why did you get those vaccines if you didn't know what they were or why you were getting them?

I was a soldier. I wasn't given an option. I did what I was told to do and didn't give it any thought at the time. Besides, most of those (if not all) I'd already had as a kid anyway.

[frankbmd]

Are sheep just woolves in disguise?

[Peter_Spaeth]

PS I think the other side of the equation absolutely should be discussed. I have no issue with that. What I have an issue with is distorting and denying the positive side.

We make the same judgments about many things in life. We know that X number of people are going to die or be seriously injured in car accidents every year. So do we ban driving?

[ALR-bishop]

Great Frank. Something else for me to worry about

[egri]

This thread is approaching ‘Kevin Mize BST post’ territory for number of posts with no resolution, and I don’t think anyone is going to change their mind based off what they read in a baseball card forum.