1991 Copeland Collection--Any Dollar Totals?

[marzoumanian]

I know you're right. Mastro altered more than just the Wagner both before he opened his auction house and during its run.
If there is anything I've learned as I age is that you walk in the gray zone on issues like this.
For the record, I was focusing on his dealings with Copeland (between 1985-1990) when he was busy buying all kinds of collections for Copeland. As I understand it Copeland had an open checkbook. Did Mastro alter/trim items he knew he would be selling directly to Copeland? Only Mastro can answer that. How discerning was Copeland? He just wanted the best currently available.
You would think that if Mastro had altered items he sold to Copeland he would have needed the help of others on at least some items. And it is hard to keep secrets. People talk and SOMEONE would have told Copeland that Mastro is playing around with items he's buying. You would think. But then Copeland was isolated; he didn't attend shows. I could be totally wrong. I guess it comes down to a matter of degree. That is, how many items were altered? Only one man knows all the answers and he's not talking.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by marzoumanian

I know you're right. Mastro altered more than just the Wagner both before he opened his auction house and during its run.
If there is anything I've learned as I age is that you walk in the gray zone on issues like this.
For the record, I was focusing on his dealings with Copeland (between 1985-1990) when he was busy buying all kinds of collections for Copeland. As I understand it Copeland had an open checkbook. Did Mastro alter/trim items he knew he would be selling directly to Copeland? Only Mastro can answer that. How discerning was Copeland? He just wanted the best currently available.
You would think that if Mastro had altered items he sold to Copeland he would have needed the help of others on at least some items. And it is hard to keep secrets. People talk and SOMEONE would have told Copeland that Mastro is playing around with items he's buying. You would think. But then Copeland was isolated; he didn't attend shows. I could be totally wrong. I guess it comes down to a matter of degree. That is, how many items were altered? Only one man knows all the answers and he's not talking.

One of the famous stamp collectors in the early 1900s was very wealthy and bought on a whim, usually paying in gold.
Fakers took enough advantage of Count Ferrary that many particularly good fakes, some of stuff that never existed became known as "ferrarities"

Nobody told him either.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by steve B

One of the famous stamp collectors in the early 1900s was very wealthy and bought on a whim, usually paying in gold.
Fakers took enough advantage of Count Ferrary that many particularly good fakes, some of stuff that never existed became known as "ferrarities"

Nobody told him either.

Cool story. So besides the T206 Wagner I guess there is likely to be other Copelandtrocities out there.

Brian

[bgar3]

I know most of the interest seems to be in the cards, but he had amazing 19th century stuff, some of which passed for failure to meet the minimum bid. At least one lot was misidentified, a cdv identified as Barnes, is not Barnes.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Cool story. So besides the T206 Wagner I guess there is likely to be other Copelandtrocities out there.

Brian

I wouldn't be at all surprised.

I think nearly all great collections have at least a few items that are iffy.
I know mine has a few altered cards, and a couple outright fakes and it's not exactly a "great" collection. hopefully it's only the ones I already know about.