Outed PSA 10 Gary Carter being sold for second time by PWCC after PSA "review"

benjulmag · #1 05-30-2021, 02:02 PM

PSA giving the finger to Blowout IMO is an existential necessity for them given their potential exposure under their "guaranty".

Also, as has been discussed before, the notion that PSA would ever objectively re evaluate a card resubmitted under their "guaranty" IMO is oxymoronic.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 05-30-2021, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by benjulmag

PSA giving the finger to Blowout IMO is an existential necessity for them given their potential exposure under their "guaranty".

Also, as has been discussed before, the notion that PSA would ever objectively re evaluate a card resubmitted under their "guaranty" IMO is oxymoronic.

As I posted somewhere it's like the old Outer Limits opening. To paraphrase, do not adjust your television set, we control the horizontal, we control the vertical.

Peter_Spaeth · #3 05-30-2021, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by benjulmag

PSA giving the finger to Blowout IMO is an existential necessity for them given their potential exposure under their "guaranty".

Also, as has been discussed before, the notion that PSA would ever objectively re evaluate a card resubmitted under their "guaranty" IMO is oxymoronic.

Even more broadly, it seems reaching an accommodation with card doctors is an existential necessity for TPGs, auction houses and many dealers. These scumbags have completely overrun the hobby and have it by the throat. And how ironic, given PSA's original mission/justification.

Johnny630 · #4 05-30-2021, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Even more broadly, it seems reaching an accommodation with card doctors is an existential necessity for TPGs, auction houses and many dealers. These scumbags have completely overrun the hobby and have it by the throat. And how ironic, given PSA's original mission/justification.

Exactly......to me it will never changes. Very Disappointing....as alway with them...it�s either shut up and except it or move on.

4k6 · #5 05-30-2021, 03:25 PM

"A world-class blue-chip which is deserving of the finest portfolio."

That's all that matters.

Casey2296 · #6 05-30-2021, 03:30 PM

Props to the guys over at Blowout, doing the Lord's work as they say.

Peter_Spaeth · #7 05-30-2021, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 4k6

"A world-class blue-chip which is deserving of the finest portfolio."

That's all that matters.

He just doesn't give a damn. Anything for the dollar. And to think how many people here defended him passionately.

To clarify, he obviously knows the card is altered (how could he not?), but is not only selling it but touting the heck out of it.

Eric72 · #8 05-30-2021, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He just doesn't give a damn. Anything for the dollar. And to think how many people here defended him passionately.

The passionate defense appears to have further emboldened him.

Peter_Spaeth · #9 05-30-2021, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric72

The passionate defense appears to have further emboldened him.

Believe me, he didn't need any emboldening.

G1911 · #10 05-30-2021, 03:42 PM

The only thing that still surprises me is that this Carter is worth $83.11 with just a hint of slight wear on the top corners. It is worth $16,600 to make the corners just slightly sharper. Something like a 1% improvement in the cards appearance produces a valuation 200x higher, and takes it from the cost of dinner to the cost of a car.

I still can't see any reasonable basis on which this can make any kind of sense, before we even get to the fact that so many of these cards are provably altered scams. As long as people will pay a fortune for labels, people will hack and alter cards to receive the much more valuable label. As long label buyers collectively don't care (should they even care? If they want a label saying their card is the most special, and that's what they get, they seem happy), nothing meaningful will happen, even if the government occasionally takes down a specific scammer.

For $20 each, I will print a label saying any card is just the most spectacular, amazing card I have ever seen. You don't even need to own the card to purchase my label for it. Your card, real or imagined, is a 12 on the 10 point scale. DM me for my PayPal.

Peter_Spaeth · #11 05-30-2021, 03:46 PM

As I've said countless times, somewhere along the way the flip became the commodity. Many factors involved perhaps, but ego is probably number one.

Eric72 · #12 05-30-2021, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

As I've said countless times, somewhere along the way the flip became the commodity. Many factors involved perhaps, but ego is probably number one.

A registry-fueled "competitive collecting" segment of the hobby...

Leon · #13 05-30-2021, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

As I've said countless times, somewhere along the way the flip became the commodity. Many factors involved perhaps, but ego is probably number one.

Some would say money is number one.
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RCMcKenzie · #14 05-30-2021, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911

The only thing that still surprises me is that this Carter is worth $83.11

Greg, here's a Carter in a 7 holder from a different grading company. It's only at $3.25 right now.

www.ebay.com/itm/384190424199

I know I had a Carter RC in my collection from the 70's. It's gotta be somewhere in a 5000 count box. My best recollection is that it was around vg/e o/c.

G1911 · #15 05-30-2021, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Greg, here's a Carter in a 7 holder from a different grading company. It's only at $3.25 right now.

www.ebay.com/itm/384190424199

I know I had a Carter RC in my collection from the 70's. It's gotta be somewhere in a 5000 count box. My best recollection is that it was around vg/e o/c.

I paid $2 for my EX Carter RC, the Mini version, at a local show c. 2008. Mini's are about as common as 88 Donruss out here in the Bay Area. Coming from a Giants family, I'm pretty sure Marc Hill's RC was half the appeal to me

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