I'm sick of all this damn money talk; let's have a virtual card show

[orioles70]

T205 Hindu backs are tough...as far as I know this is the only confirmed Duffy with a Hindu back

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[Exhibitman]

[brianp-beme]

Here is a T209-2 Contentnea of Stewart. Of Wilson.

Brian

[molenick]

I also don't remember if I have posted this or not but here is may Van Lingle Mungo.

[metroac]

You can hear the song "Van Lingle Mungo" on youtube with accompanying pictures of all the players as their names are sung. Listen here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKzobTlF8fM

[G1911]

3 of my personal favorites. I found them as a kid in a card shop in Cooperstown, New York for $20 a piece, which was a good buy then. My dad bought them for me as a gift ($60 was a lot of cards for a kid), and they were in my pocket in top-loaders when we went through the museum for the first time. All my favorites are the cheap ones connected to childhood and good memories, instead of my more expensive cards.

I believe a red colored Vaughn was considered something of a tough E98 then, haven't kept up with the thinking now post-black swamp find though.

[brianp-beme]

Although I don't recommend or condone such a practice, I believe these two Diamond Stars cards are how you can get rid of unwanted waterfowl.

Brian (don't make me explain this)

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by G1911

3 of my personal favorites. I found them as a kid in a card shop in Cooperstown, New York for $20 a piece, which was a good buy then. My dad bought them for me as a gift ($60 was a lot of cards for a kid), and they were in my pocket in top-loaders when we went through the museum for the first time. All my favorites are the cheap ones connected to childhood and good memories, instead of my more expensive cards.

I believe a red colored Vaughn was considered something of a tough E98 then, haven't kept up with the thinking now post-black swamp find though.

E98 Vaughns in any color are still tough cards in the set.

[qed2190]

some more W cards

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

E98 Vaughns in any color are still tough cards in the set.

Thank you!

[Tom S.]

[Exhibitman]

[Kawika]

Another for the Brothers of Hall of Famers collection. Correct name was Henry.

[molenick]

Here is HOFer Rick's brother Wes. Many people believe Wes would have been a better selection (based on WAR it is not close....60 for Wes compared to 31.1 for Rick). Wes is a solid 47th on the starting pitcher rankings (right after Feller, Halladay, and Marichal), although that takes into account his overall WAR (which includes 11.1 as a batter). His WAR for pitching alone is 48.8 which puts him at 111th (between Jimmy Key and Mel Harder). That feels like a more accurate assessment of where he ranks as a pitcher. He was an excellent hitter, but with 1176 lifetime ABs, it's hard to know how much that should affect his HOF worthiness.

[brianp-beme]

The ghost of E94 McGraw makes an appearance on this fun but likely "aftermarket" card.

Brian

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

The ghost of E94 McGraw makes an appearance on this fun but likely "aftermarket" card.

Brian

Neat card!


Just learned of this type about a month ago. W-Unc?



1948 W-Unc (Philadelphia Bulletin Stand-Ups) by Greg Martin, on Flickr

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Clutch-Hitter

Just learned of this type about a month ago. W-Unc?

I have not noticed that type before either, but it does fall just outside my normal collecting zone (preWW2 cards), so I may have missed it just because of that.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

1933/36 Zeenut of Lefty O'Doul. Sorry about the O'Fuzzy scan...damn graded cards and their inability to be scanned on my graded card incompatible scanner.

Brian

[Exhibitman]

if you hear "Frankie Says Relax" and you think of this:



You might be a card collector...

[GeoPoto]

Bucky Harris and Joe Cronin

Clark Griffith owned the Washington Senators for 35 years. His Senators were hardly perennial favorites to win the AL pennant. And yet, they did finish first in 1924, again in 1925, and finally in 1933. Both pennant-winning teams were led by newly-named, surprisingly young player-managers: Bucky Harris in 1924/25 and Joe Cronin in 1933. Both managers went on to spend their lifetimes in MLB and gain induction to Cooperstown.

Here they are in living color from 1936 as friendly AL rivals.

Stanley R. "Bucky" Harris. Second baseman for the Washington Senators in 1919-1928. 1,297 hits and 167 stolen bases in 12 MLB seasons. 1924 and 1947 World Series champion. In 1975, inducted to the MLB Hall of Fame.

Named player-manager of the Washington Senators in 1924 at age 27. "The Boy Wonder" led Washington to World Series victory as "rookie" manger. Managed Washington Senators in 1924-1928, 1935-1942, and 1950-1954. Managed the Detroit Tigers in 1929-1933 and 1955-1956. Managed the Boston Red Sox in 1934. Managed the Philadelphia Phillies in 1943. Managed the New York Yankees in 1947-1948, including winning the 1947 world Series. Served as the General Manager of the Boston Red Sox in 1959-1960.

Joseph E. "Joe" Cronin. Shortstop for the Washington Senators in 1928-1934 and the Boston Red Sox in 1935-1945. 2,285 hits and 170 home runs in 20 MLB seasons. He had a career OBP of .390. He was a 7-time All Star. Boston Red Sox #4 retired. Boston Red Sox Hall of Fame. In 1956, he was inducted to the MLB Hall of Fame.

Cronin's best season was probably 1930 for Washington as he posted a .422 OBP with 127 runs scored and 127 RBI's on 686 plate appearances. He managed the Washington Senators in 1933-1934 and the Boston Red Sox in 1935-1947.

He was General Manager of the Boston Red Sox in 1948-1958. He was president of the American League in 1959-1973. When he left the Red Sox in 1959, they were the only MLB team without a black player. He and team owner Tom Yawkey are generally viewed as responsible for this injustice which ended six months after Cronin's departure.

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[SD]

Almost 100 years ago, George was forced to retire after being hit in the face and partially paralyzed by a line drive during batting practice while managing the Senators in 21.

He was the premier SS of the AL for almost a decade. Finalist 2x for the Chalmers award despite hitting under .213.

[Exhibitman]

[Roland 49]

Yesterday I showed N. Reyes' print from the Cuba 1947-48 team, they asked me to show Willie Foster from the Cuba 1927-28 team, you will see him in a photo fragment of the complete team.

[brianp-beme]

Time to give E91A (and almost half of E91B) cards their due and showcase the facial resemblances of players depicted on E91A cards with those seen on other cards of the era. In many cases the artists utilized the same base photo for their depictions.

First off is Chief Bender as seen in E91A (and E91B), M116 and T206 sets.

Brian

[Clutch-Hitter]

1910 E91c American Caramel by Greg Martin, on Flickr

[CobbSpikedMe]

Here's another Bender, although the face isn't as identifiable as the ones on Brian's cards.



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[GeoPoto]

George Washington Case

George W. Case. Outfielder for the Washington Senators in 1937-1945 and 1947. 1,415 hits and 349 stolen bases in 11 MLB seasons. 4-time All-Star. 6-time AL stolen base leader. Only player to ever lead MLB in stolen bases for five consecutive years (1939-1943). His best season was probably 1942 for Washington as he posted a .377 OBP with 101 runs scored and 44 stolen bases in 563 plate appearances.

Excerpt from his SABR biography: Case was thought by many to be the fastest ballplayer in the game between the 1920s and ’50s. He was possibly the fastest ever to play the game, at least until the time of his retirement. His baseball mentor, Clyde Milan, Washington’s all-time leading base stealer, thought so and once paid him the ultimate compliment: “George Case was the fastest man ever to play baseball. … He was faster than Ty Cobb, Eddie Collins, Max Carey. …”

This view was also shared by sportswriter Edwin Rumill of the Christian Science Monitor: “In the person of George Washington Case, the senatorial outfielder, you are looking at the fastest human in the American League…” This claim is not without merit. In 1943 Case was credited with the fastest time ever circling the bases. In a pregame exhibition at Griffith Stadium he was clocked by an AAU timer in 13.5 seconds from a standing start. This broke the previous record of 13.8 seconds set by Hans Lobert. In 1946 Cleveland Indians owner Bill Veeck staged one of his famous promotions, pitting Case against the legendary Jesse Owens in a 100-yard dash. Case lost to “The World’s Fastest Human” by a mere one-tenth of a second, possibly the only race he ever lost.

In another promotional race in 1946 staged by Clark Griffith at Griffith Stadium, the speedster was matched against super-fast rookie Gil Coan, who at the time was seven years Case’s junior. Although Case was ailing from a bad back, he was clocked at 10 seconds flat in the 100-yard dash, beating the stunned rookie by half a stride.

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[rjackson44]

Love this

[brianp-beme]

Here is the E91A matchup card for Harry Davis.

Brian

[GeoPoto]

Jiggs Donahue

John A. "Jiggs" Donahue. First baseman for the Washington Senators in 1909. 731 hits and 143 stolen bases in 9 MLB seasons. 1906 World Series champion. He debuted with the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1900-1901.

Donahue was a superb defensive player. His best offensive season was 1905 with the Chicago White Sox as he posted a .346 OBP with 76 RBI's and 32 stolen bases in 608 plate appearances. 1909 was his final MLB season.

Donahue was regarded as the best defensive first baseman of his time. He was also one of the best hitters among the "hitless wonders" team that won the 1906 AL pennant and then upset the Chicago Cubs in that year's World Series.

When in your vaunted pride you hear
The roaring welcome of the stands,
The unleashed hero-tinted cheer,
The echo of applauding hands,
Lift up your head above all men –
Think how these thousand worship you –
Go to it – eat it – pal – and then
Remember Donahue

When headlines on the Printed Page
Rate you the Ruler of the Field –
The war god of a golden age
That reels before your lance and shield –
Take in the boost of voice and pen,
Say, “Here at last, I’ve drawn my due” –
Swell with the thrill of it – and then
Remember Donahue

What is there left to curb you now?
The world is at your steel shod feet,
The laurel grips your clammy brow
Where no man comes who might compete:
So lift your beaker up again,
Nor turn to Time’s remorseless cue –
Here’s how – Cobb, Matty, Walsh – and then
Drink one to Donahue.

— Grantland Rice, “Donahue Eulogy”

https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1623181524

[qed2190]

He looks like this.

[Exhibitman]

Donahue really did look like a cartoon character...

Do not adjust your monitor:

[Clutch-Hitter]

Nice '41 Goudey's, George. I need a green!


1941 R324 Goudey Gum 09 by Greg Martin, on Flickr


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[SD]

Feel like I'm seeing double. Is the Harry Davis and John Donahue cards above look identical minus the jersey name? Even the stands match.

Originally Posted by GeoPoto

Jiggs Donahue

John A. "Jiggs" Donahue. First baseman for the Washington Senators in 1909. 731 hits and 143 stolen bases in 9 MLB seasons. 1906 World Series champion. He debuted with the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1900-1901.

Donahue was a superb defensive player. His best offensive season was 1905 with the Chicago White Sox as he posted a .346 OBP with 76 RBI's and 32 stolen bases in 608 plate appearances. 1909 was his final MLB season.

Donahue was regarded as the best defensive first baseman of his time. He was also one of the best hitters among the "hitless wonders" team that won the 1906 AL pennant and then upset the Chicago Cubs in that year's World Series.

When in your vaunted pride you hear
The roaring welcome of the stands,
The unleashed hero-tinted cheer,
The echo of applauding hands,
Lift up your head above all men –
Think how these thousand worship you –
Go to it – eat it – pal – and then
Remember Donahue

When headlines on the Printed Page
Rate you the Ruler of the Field –
The war god of a golden age
That reels before your lance and shield –
Take in the boost of voice and pen,
Say, “Here at last, I’ve drawn my due” –
Swell with the thrill of it – and then
Remember Donahue

What is there left to curb you now?
The world is at your steel shod feet,
The laurel grips your clammy brow
Where no man comes who might compete:
So lift your beaker up again,
Nor turn to Time’s remorseless cue –
Here’s how – Cobb, Matty, Walsh – and then
Drink one to Donahue.

— Grantland Rice, “Donahue Eulogy”

https://www.net54baseball.com/attach...1&d=1623181524

[SD]

Couldn't figure out how to attach images to the previous post. Neither of these cards are mine. Just pulled images for reference.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by SD

Couldn't figure out how to attach images to the previous post. Neither of these cards are mine. Just pulled images for reference.

The Harry Davis I posted is from the 33 card E91A set. The E91B set of 33 repeats all 33 of the artwork on the front, 15 with repeated player designations, and 18 with new player designations. E91C is also a 33 card set, but all player designations are new. Harry Davis happens to be one of the 15 E91B subjects that have the same player designations as seen in the E91A set.

The Donahue card is from the E91C set, utilizing the artwork seen on the E91A and E91B Davis cards, and thus is not an accurate representation of Donohue.

Based upon my research into the set, almost all of the 33 cards of the E91A set have facial artwork based upon photos of the player. Thus with the 15 repeats in the E91B set (Daniel Murphy was repeated in the E91B set, but the manufacturers mysteriously decided to use different artwork for his E91B card, which I had overlooked until Ben recently pointed out this departure from the pattern), basically 48 of the 99 cards in the 3 E91 sets depict the facial characteristics of the designated player.

Here is that one exception of Daniel Murphy, 2B, shown with his E91A card and M116 and E254 cards, and his E91B card, which identifies him as Dan Murphy, RF, and then the E91B card of Eddie Collins with 2B designation, and finally the E91A of Ralph Seybold, RF. Murphy switched from being a 2B to RF roughly between the timeframe of the issuance of the E91A and E91B sets, probably due to the rise of Eddie Collins at the 2B position. Thus the E91 makers mysteriously decided to utilize the E91A Murphy artwork for Eddie Collins, due to the 2B position designation, and just changed the player's name to Eddie.

Ralph Seybold, RF, from the E91A set was dropped in the E91B set, with Dan Murphy RF designation taking over his artwork.

Brian (I think I almost confused myself with all these words)

[GeoPoto]

Zeke Bonura (pronounced like Sonora)

Henry J. "Zeke" Bonura. First baseman for the Washington Senators in 1938 and 1940. 1,099 hits and 119 home runs in 7 MLB seasons. He had a career OBP of .380. He debuted with the Chicago White Sox in 1934. His best season was probably 1936 for the White Sox as he posted a .426 OBP with 120 runs scored and 138 RBI's in 688 plate appearances. His indifferent defense on balls hit to his right gave rise to the "Bonura Salute".

Excerpt from his SABR biography: The next season the White Sox improved to fifth place under Dykes, as Bonura hit .295 with 21 home runs and 92 RBIs. Bonura fit the profile of a lumbering first baseman, yet he stole home in the bottom of the 15th inning to score the winning run against the New York Yankees in the first game of a doubleheader on August 26, 1935. It was only the fourth stolen base of his major-league career. In “his own inimitable manner,” Bonura told how it happened:

“I’m on third. I see [Jimmie] DeShong, which is the New York pitcher for the Yankees on that day, take his windup. He makes the mistake of taking a long windup and I’m off third like a bird. Now you understand there was no signal for to steal. I’m using my head and being alert. DeShong has got himself all wound up like a clock now and here I’m breezin’ home as though carried by some winged horse of some name or other. A newspaperman wrote a swell story about it back home. It sounded like Pegasus. In fact it was Pegasus because I looked it up thinkin’ at first he was ribbin’ me.

“Let’s see, where was I? Oh, yes. I’m breezin’ home like Mercury hisself and I spread out and slide handy right under [Yankees catcher Bill] Dickey. … Well, you ought to seen Dickey. I won’t never forget the expression on his face. He was without a doubt the most surprised man in baseball. That’s really bein’ surprised. And I guess a lot of the other fellows were surprised at old Zeke breezin’ home and theftin’ a sack to win their old fifteen-innin’ ball game. … Funny thing about it though, Mister Dykes looked almost as surprised as Dickey.”

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[Clutch-Hitter]

That Zeke Bonura story was great

[Exhibitman]

Here's a snapshot of Dickey

[Clutch-Hitter]

1923 The Little Wonder Picture Series (W515-2) by Greg Martin, on Flickr

[TheBig6]

Picture of Chickering Imperial Cabinet I took thru glass case at the Boston Library.
Both teams 1903 World Series
Excuse the light reflection. There was also a chickering imperial of Jimmy Collins in the same case.

[MikeGarcia]

...Hard to believe that at one time you could buy these for one red cent out of a machine in a penny arcade on a pier in Far Rockaway Beach out near Sheepshead Bay.....now they'll cost probably close to a hundred dollars.....

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[brianp-beme]

Here are the facial matchups to the E91A (and E91B) Fred Tenney. The M116 angle of head may slightly differ but both may have utilized the same photo. The features on Fred's face on the E91 card even looks like the different image seen on his T206 card.

Brian

[edjs]

Can I do a pin? I see photos, so I figured maybe a pin would be okay?

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by edjs

Can I do a pin? I see photos, so I figured maybe a pin would be okay?

Ed, I think you should be Ables to do a pin. And a cool pin indeed.

Brian

[Exhibitman]

S'all good, man.

Meanwhile...



Got it myself a million years ago.

[GeoPoto]

"The Earl" Whitehill

Earl O. Whitehill. "The Earl". Pitcher for the Washington Senators in 1933-1936. 218 wins and 11 saves in 17 MLB seasons. He debuted with the Detroit Tigers in 1923-1932. His best season came when Washington won the AL pennant in 1933 as he posted a 22-8 record with an ERA of 3.33 in 270 innings pitched. He ended his career with the Chicago Cubs in 1939. His only World Series start was a complete game shutout in Game 3 of the 1933 World Series, which Washington lost in 5 games.

Excerpt from SABR biography: Earl Whitehill, one of the solid yet increasingly anonymous pitchers of the 1920s and 1930s, played 17 major league seasons and remains one of the top 100 winning pitchers of all time. A southpaw, he mixed a tantalizing curve with a fiery disposition to win 218 games for the Detroit Tigers, Washington Senators, Cleveland Indians, and the Chicago Cubs.

On December 14, 1932, the Tigers traded Whitehill to Washington for pitchers Fred “Firpo” Marberry and Carl Fischer. The following season began in turmoil. In April, as a consequence of pitching inside, Whitehill hit Lou Gehrig – at the time closing in on Everett Scott‘s 1,308 consecutive-games-played record – and knocked him unconscious. Obviously, Gehrig recovered, but Whitehill continued to finding himself in the midst of maelstroms.

In May, as part of an imbroglio between the Yankees’ firebrand Ben Chapman and Senator shortstop Buddy Myer, Whitehill even achieved notoriety in Time magazine:

"When Chapman reached the passageway on his way off the field. Earl Whitehill, Washington pitcher, called him a bad name. This was more than Fielder Chapman, already humiliated, could bear. He rushed at Whitehill, hit him. Umpire Moriarty tried to pull the fighters apart but failed. This time, all the players on both teams rushed at each other not to stop the fight but to enlarge it. Private detectives, uniformed policemen and about 300 spectators rushed down on the field. The spectators, armed with bats they had picked up, tried to bash the players. The players bashed each other and the spectators. After 20 minutes, police managed to restore enough order for the ball game to proceed. After five more innings, the Yankees won 16 to 0."

(I'm guessing he called him a bottle washer, or something at least as politically incorrect.)

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[GeoPoto]

By the way, readers of my previous might be interested to know that Myer and Chapman, whose ugliness prompted the confrontation that led to Whitehill's involvement, eventually became teammates and even partners of a sort on this card from 1941.

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[brianp-beme]

Next...E91A (his E91B also looks like this) of Jimmy Sheckard shown with his M116 Sporting Life card.

Brian

[Clutch-Hitter]

Brian, those E91s are very interesting. Looking at them without the comparison, I wouldn't guess they resembled the player as well as they do. Looking forward to the next.

Back to the pastime tomorrow:


1920 Universal Matching Cards (W516-1) by Greg Martin, on Flickr

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