CSG Card Grading Comp - 1st card on Ebay???

Oscar_Stanage · #1 06-14-2021, 08:35 PM

I bought a CSG 8.5 card- 85 o-pee-chee Gretzky, because the price was good. As soon as I had the card in hand, I knew it was mis-graded. I figured it was a 7 at best.
came back SGC 6.5. this can happen to any card slabbed a few years ago... but there is no excuse for cards getting graded in 2021 to be off that much.

SGC = PSA. CSG is not in-line with the top graders.

swarmee · #2 06-14-2021, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Wid_Conroy

I bought a CSG 8.5 card- 85 o-pee-chee Gretzky, because the price was good. As soon as I had the card in hand, I knew it was mis-graded. I figured it was a 7 at best.
came back SGC 8.5. this can happen to any card slabbed a few years ago... but there is no excuse for cards getting graded in 2021 to be off that much.

SGC = PSA. CSG is not in-line with the top graders.

Wait, what? You're complaining that you cracked an 8.5, then SGC gave it an 8.5 although you think it deserves a 7?

CobbSpikedMe · #3 06-14-2021, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

Wait, what? You're complaining that you cracked an 8.5, then SGC gave it an 8.5 although you think it deserves a 7?

Confused as well.

Oscar_Stanage · #4 06-15-2021, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

Wait, what? You're complaining that you cracked an 8.5, then SGC gave it an 8.5 although you think it deserves a 7?

lol, sorry. it came back an SGC 6.5! I fixed it in the original

hcv123 · #5 06-15-2021, 09:14 AM

so far. I wouldn't touch a CSG card with a 10 foot pole.

D. Bergin · #6 06-15-2021, 09:25 AM

I don't know. I've seen modern collectors complaining CSG is tougher then the other TPG's on some things. Maybe they are working on different parameters, depending on the issue.

And again......we have the vast amount of trimmed cards out there, that the big TPG's have given glowing reviews to, that technically should be nothing more then an "A".

For some reason, that seems worse to me then a point and a half difference on an OPC issue, which has natural printing flaws in them that collectors haven't agreed on how to grade correctly in decades.

perezfan · #7 06-15-2021, 12:30 PM

Maybe CSG has their own scale and doesn't follow the flawed PSA model. Perhaps they punish some attributes more harshly than others, and some less. That's fine by me, as I see no consistency at all within PSA these days.

Also, I've always felt PSA is way too harsh on pinpoint paper-loss and way too lenient on poor focus/registration. Also hate that there's a huge range for difference at the bottom of their scale (1-4), and only microscopic variance at the top end (7-10). Some PSA 2s look like 7s, and some look like they've been crumpled up and pulled from a trash can. It's an idiotic scale, of which the grades are not indicative of the cards' overall appeal.

Not to mention the small fact that tens of thousands of altered cards reside in PSA numbered slabs. Why they are put on a pedestal as the standard-bearer, I will never understand. Oh yeah... money.

I'm glad to see some new blood in there to shake things up. Maybe CSG will make it - maybe they won't. But the competition is undoubtedly a good thing for the hobby.

Oscar_Stanage · #8 06-17-2021, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by perezfan

Maybe CSG has their own scale and doesn't follow the flawed PSA model. Perhaps they punish some attributes more harshly than others, and some less. That's fine by me, as I see no consistency at all within PSA these days.

Also, I've always felt PSA is way too harsh on pinpoint paper-loss and way too lenient on poor focus/registration. Also hate that there's a huge range for difference at the bottom of their scale (1-4), and only microscopic variance at the top end (7-10). Some PSA 2s look like 7s, and some look like they've been crumpled up and pulled from a trash can. It's an idiotic scale, of which the grades are not indicative of the cards' overall appeal.

Not to mention the small fact that tens of thousands of altered cards reside in PSA numbered slabs. Why they are put on a pedestal as the standard-bearer, I will never understand. Oh yeah... money.

I'm glad to see some new blood in there to shake things up. Maybe CSG will make it - maybe they won't. But the competition is undoubtedly a good thing for the hobby.

there is nothing flawed about the grading scale. No one is creating their own scale when the marketplace revolves around PSA (not because they are better/stricter but because 90% of card volume is PSA). A big part of grading is process, which IMO SGC has down cold. based on my experience with a CSG card, they do not have a good process. any card graded TODAY by any legitimate grader could not possibly be crossed at more than 1 grade up/down, and 90% would cross with the same grade. the fact that CSG graded a 6 as an 8.5 shows me they are not in the game.

butchie_t · #9 06-23-2021, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hcv123

so far. I wouldn't touch a CSG card with a 10 foot pole.

Any idea how many pixels that would be.

toledo_mudhen · #10 06-24-2021, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by butchie_t

Any idea how many pixels that would be.

10 Feet = 11520.001451339 Pixels

(your welcome)

icurnmedic · #11 06-25-2021, 12:44 PM

For those interested , I have a order that was "received " ( around 8 days after arrived) 3/4/21 and has yet to be graded.To be fair it is an economy order. However , That was early on, so I would not think that it would have been backed up at that point. I called CSG 5/17/21 and the lady said should be shipped by 6/17/21, but nothing as of yet.
Thomas Church

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