Let's talk about "over-looked" true Rookie cards....Pre-war and early Post-war

Peter_Spaeth · #1 06-20-2021, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by HistoricNewspapers

Correct.

Good point about the Seaver rookie and high number series not being available everywhere.

There were also probably kids across the country in 1952 that had no chance to buy Topps packs that year because their local store may not have had them. So do you have to ding status of the Mantle as a result of some contrived 'rule'?

The internet has made the 'available across the country' completely moot anyway.

The Beckett rookie definition is a complete joke.

It was moot long before the internet IMO, there was a well-developed mail order business for baseball cards.

HistoricNewspapers · #2 06-20-2021, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It was moot long before the internet IMO, there was a well-developed mail order business for baseball cards.

Correct as well. That was in place even before Topps came onto the scene.

ledsters · #3 06-20-2021, 02:22 PM

Regional cards are some of the best rookie cards. Limited quantities and many times different size than the regular issue. My favorite is the 1978 Family Fun Centers Ozzie Smith RC�.
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tedzan · #4 06-20-2021, 03:04 PM

Here's a classic example of a player's "unrecognized" Pre-war rookie card, which was over-shadowed by a post-war so-called "rookie" card (1948 BOWMAN Rizzuto).

NOTE.... the two 1949 cards of Rizzuto just happen to be on the same scan as the 1941 Double Play card.

TED Z

T206 Reference
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HistoricNewspapers · #5 06-20-2021, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tedzan

Here's a classic example of a player's "unrecognized" Pre-war rookie card, which was over-shadowed by a post-war so-called "rookie" card (1948 BOWMAN Rizzuto).

NOTE.... the two 1949 cards of Rizzuto just happen to be on the same scan as the 1941 Double Play card.

TED Z

T206 Reference
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Spot on. That Rizzuto example is perfect. The hobby needs more information like this out in the mainstream.

Jackie Robinson has a few cards that pre-date his recognized leaf rookie card. The Bond cards, the Swell Sport Thrills, etc....pre-date and are great cards hardly anyone knows about.

Great thread showing these.

PSA won't do an article on all these cards that pre-date the Beckett recognized Rookie cards. It probably doesn't help their bottom line. It doesn't make the earlier rookie cards any less of a rookie though.

I don't think 'anyone' in general knows about the 1946 Minoso card talked about above. How do treasures like that go almost completely unnoticed to the collecting masses?

There is no harm in recognizing more than one rookie card.....especially pre-1950 where cards and sets were more unique in their production/appearance/ than what is made in more modern times. But it all leads back to the sort of silly notion of having a 'true rookie card'. The cards have merit that go beyond that definition and that is what really matters.

Peter_Spaeth · #6 06-20-2021, 04:43 PM

Here is a rather extreme example from basketball where there were no mainstream cards issued for 7 straight years, do you want a 1963 Jerry Lucas or a 1969 Jerry Lucas for your rookie? Similar choice for 1951 Berk Ross or 1957 Topps Bob Cousy.

HistoricNewspapers · #7 06-20-2021, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Here is a rather extreme example from basketball where there were no mainstream cards issued for 7 straight years, do you want a 1963 Jerry Lucas or a 1969 Jerry Lucas for your rookie? Similar choice for 1951 Berk Ross or 1957 Topps Bob Cousy.

Easy, the earlier cards for both. Collectors may say that Cousy is in a college uniform on the Berk Ross card so it isn't a rookie card. He was a professional player in 1950 already, so when that set came out in 1951 he was clearly a professional player, so whether he was depicted in his pro uniform, college uniform, or naked...its still his rookie card.

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