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Old 06-26-2021, 04:59 PM
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Those ND early pennants are off the charts as is the national champs one.

That Killebrew pennant is nice and tougher than the different photo versions you see around more. DWR is the expert on the Twins photo pennants
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Old 06-27-2021, 03:20 PM
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Default 1910 Connie Mack Athletics Pennant

I'm working on more updates to the Pennant Catalog. I came upon this Connie Mack Athletics pennant from an auction in 2019. The listing says that the top was restored. I'm assuming that means the spine and tassels were replaced.

I'm interested on thoughts on this one? Does anyone remember the auction in 2019?

https://paragonauctions.com/CIRCA_19...-LOT10045.aspx
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Old 06-27-2021, 03:33 PM
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Saw these on ebay. I have a couple of different Giants pennants done by Schmidt's. I thought it was cool to see the whole intact set, along with string and directions for display options (not $250 cool, tho).
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I'm working on more updates to the Pennant Catalog. I came upon this Connie Mack Athletics pennant from an auction in 2019. The listing says that the top was restored. I'm assuming that means the spine and tassels were replaced.

I'm interested on thoughts on this one? Does anyone remember the auction in 2019?

https://paragonauctions.com/CIRCA_19...-LOT10045.aspx
Don't bother with it. The pennant is a common/obvious reproduction, and the Auction House is clueless. Someone got taken, and it's this kind of thing that really screws the hobby. Just LMK if you need an image of the real one.

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Old 06-27-2021, 09:22 PM
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Default pennant repair

I've tried repairing old felt and it is possible. This was my first attempt on an faded A's pennant with a bad tip. If I ever do it again I would take more time to match the color better as it came out a little bit too dark. I did it by needle felting wool fibers to reproduce the felt.

PS. !f I had an historically old/valuable pennant I wouldn't have touched it.
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Old 06-27-2021, 10:42 PM
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The Athletics repair job is well done - slight color difference but I'm not sure I would have really noticed without the call out.

Addressing a few of the earlier comments... The Fighting Irish pennant does have a Green Mountain Studios tag (can faintly see it in in pic below middle tassels).

For reference, the unnegotiated quote that I received to repair it was $600, which includes stitching to a mat (defrays some costs of overall framing). The guy is a textile restoration expert who predominantly does work for museums.

I don't necessarily see how having a pennant professionally restored would devalue it, as a key part of professional restoration is having the ability to remove what was added on, but definitely agree it's a cost vs. benefit exercise. The ideas of playing around with the underlying background are good and seem like the best option for my particular situation - it does have some "character" in its current state.
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I've tried repairing old felt and it is possible. This was my first attempt on an faded A's pennant with a bad tip. If I ever do it again I would take more time to match the color better as it came out a little bit too dark. I did it by needle felting wool fibers to reproduce the felt.

PS. !f I had an historically old/valuable pennant I wouldn't have touched it.
That’s fantastic, Ed! Could you explain what you mean by “needle felting wool fibers”?
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I've tried repairing old felt and it is possible. This was my first attempt on an faded A's pennant with a bad tip. If I ever do it again I would take more time to match the color better as it came out a little bit too dark. I did it by needle felting wool fibers to reproduce the felt.

PS. !f I had an historically old/valuable pennant I wouldn't have touched it.
That's pretty impressive and I probably wouldn't have noticed a color difference if you hadn't mentioned. Did you start with a wad of loose felt fibers or did you have a patch of felt that you were able to needle to the pennant and then trim with scissors? That pennant looks like it regenerated its own tip the way a lizard would its tail.
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In needle felting you start with a wad of fibers, usually wool but there are plenty of synthetics if you want that. They sell dyed wool in a wide variety of colors so you can blend them together to make any color you need. Then you use a felting needle to repeatedly stab through the fibers. The needle has barbs which pushes the fibers through the other fibers and you keep stabbing until they are weaved together. With enough work you get a solid form. A lot of people needle felt sculptures like animals, dolls, pretty much anything. I learned about needle felting from my wife who teaches art to kids.

To patch a pennant, you can weave into an existing piece of felt pushing the new fibers into the old. Do it enough, you’ll build up a new piece of wool felt. It’ll be fuzzier than the original but you can use an iron to get it flat to match the original felt. To finish, trim to match the edge of the pennant.
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In needle felting you start with a wad of fibers, usually wool but there are plenty of synthetics if you want that. They sell dyed wool in a wide variety of colors so you can blend them together to make any color you need. Then you use a felting needle to repeatedly stab through the fibers. The needle has barbs which pushes the fibers through the other fibers and you keep stabbing until they are weaved together. With enough work you get a solid form. A lot of people needle felt sculptures like animals, dolls, pretty much anything. I learned about needle felting from my wife who teaches art to kids.

To patch a pennant, you can weave into an existing piece of felt pushing the new fibers into the old. Do it enough, you’ll build up a new piece of wool felt. It’ll be fuzzier than the original but you can use an iron to get it flat to match the original felt. To finish, trim to match the edge of the pennant.
I still can't really grasp the concept but I'm sure there's a youtube video if I ever want to give this a try!
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I've tried repairing old felt and it is possible. This was my first attempt on an faded A's pennant with a bad tip. If I ever do it again I would take more time to match the color better as it came out a little bit too dark. I did it by needle felting wool fibers to reproduce the felt.

PS. !f I had an historically old/valuable pennant I wouldn't have touched it.
Well here's a rare historical pennant that just sold for 1/10th of its "would be" value in EX condition. Even with all of its faults, the graphics appear completely undisturbed...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/14408520244...p2047675.l2557

Whoever won this one might consider paying you a handsome sum to perform your "felting needle magic". Can't imagine a better candidate, if the right color burgundy wool could be obtained. I am normally against restoration, but this one could really benefit from the "felting" procedure.

Great job on the A's Pennant, BTW!
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Well here's a rare historical pennant that just sold for 1/10th of its "would be" value in EX condition. Even with all of its faults, the graphics appear completely undisturbed...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/14408520244...p2047675.l2557

Whoever won this one might consider paying you a handsome sum to perform your "felting needle magic". Can't imagine a better candidate, if the right color burgundy wool could be obtained. I am normally against restoration, but this one could really benefit from the "felting" procedure.

Great job on the A's Pennant, BTW!
Despite the graphics being in good shape, I was a little surprised at price this pennant received. Granted it’s rare, but that’s a lot of damage. If restored and then sold again, even though I collect Cubs pennants, I would not be interested. Curious how others feel.
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Despite the graphics being in good shape, I was a little surprised at price this pennant received. Granted it’s rare, but that’s a lot of damage. If restored and then sold again, even though I collect Cubs pennants, I would not be interested. Curious how others feel.
I would've paid that. I think it's still a stunning pennant and will look great framed. Probably would've gone for what...4-5K if not moth eaten?
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Well here's a rare historical pennant that just sold for 1/10th of its "would be" value in EX condition. Even with all of its faults, the graphics appear completely undisturbed...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/14408520244...p2047675.l2557

Whoever won this one might consider paying you a handsome sum to perform your "felting needle magic". Can't imagine a better candidate, if the right color burgundy wool could be obtained. I am normally against restoration, but this one could really benefit from the "felting" procedure.

Great job on the A's Pennant, BTW!
I, for one, am seeing possibilities with the "felting" procedure.
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I, for one, am seeing possibilities with the "felting" procedure.
I just mastered the art of "bleaching" a pennant to get stains out now I have to take up sewing, lol
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