Another inexcusable PSA screw up - they graded another reprint!

tedzan · #1 06-29-2021, 08:10 PM

This situation is reminiscent of the rash of "re-backed" T206's that occurred 22 years ago.

Circa 1999 - 2000, a bunch of T206's were in circulation that were being sold on Ebay (and at Shows) that were FAKES.
These T206's were very professionally altered, and these cards (initially) fooled many collectors, and even the Grading Co's.
Fortunately, there were some of us T206 collectors who instantly recognized that these T206 cards were fakes because their
front / back combos were impossible

Here is a list of some the examples of these FAKES.....

Matty (portrait) with a red HINDU back (PSA and SGC graded)

Matty (portrait) with a SOVEREIGN 460 back (PSA graded)

Green Cobb with a red HINDU back

Green Cobb with a CYCLE 350 back

Johnson (pitching) with BROAD LEAF 350 back

Johnson (portrait) with BROAD LEAF 350 back

TED Z

T206 Reference
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Lorewalker · #2 06-29-2021, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan

This situation is reminiscent of the rash of "re-backed" T206's that occurred 22 years ago.

Circa 1999 - 2000, a bunch of T206's were in circulation that were being sold on Ebay (and at Shows) that were FAKES.
These T206's were very professionally altered, and these cards (initially) fooled many collectors, and even the Grading Co's.
Fortunately, there were some of us T206 collectors who instantly recognized that these T206 cards were fakes because their
front / back combos were impossible

Here is a list of some the examples of these FAKES.....

Matty (portrait) with a red HINDU back (PSA and SGC graded)

Matty (portrait) with a SOVEREIGN 460 back (PSA graded)

Green Cobb with a red HINDU back

Green Cobb with a CYCLE 350 back

Johnson (pitching) with BROAD LEAF 350 back

Johnson (portrait) with BROAD LEAF 350 back

TED Z

T206 Reference
.

Only thing that is similar to the Young situation is that these are all T206s and none should have been graded otherwise the grading of this very obvious reprint is really in a class by itself.

tedzan · #3 06-29-2021, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Only thing that is similar to the Young situation is that these are all T206s and none should have been graded otherwise the grading of this very obvious reprint is really in a class by itself.

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying ?

First of all, I stated that this "Young (EPDG)" card is "reminiscent" of what occurred 22 years ago. I did not "compare" it to those cards.

Furthermore, there was a serious flaw back then, when both PSA and SGC graded some of those re-backed T206 cards.

In any event, both situations reveal a possible serious problem with the Grading of T206 cards. It's a complex set of cards which require
knowledgeable graders grading them.

TED Z

T206 Reference
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Aquarian Sports Cards · #4 06-29-2021, 09:15 PM

Hey Ted, is there a possibility that the group you posted is where the rebacked (fake front, genuine, but impossible back) Wagner came from as well?

tedzan · #5 06-29-2021, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Hey Ted, is there a possibility that the group you posted is where the rebacked (fake front, genuine, but impossible back) Wagner came from as well?

Hi Scott

It may have been. However, I haven't seen that Wagner card. I did see some of the "re-backed" cards I listed above.
Actually, I prefer tot refer to them as "Re-Fronted" cards. I contacted a gentleman in our town, who is a Professional
paper restorer. Back in 2000, I showed him a bunch of T206's and he told me that the process is to carefully remove
the front of the T206 card and paste a new front onto the "shaved" T206 card with the rare back.
I hope I clearly described the process of Re-Fronting.

Take care ole friend.

TED Z

T206 Reference
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Aquarian Sports Cards · #6 06-30-2021, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Scott

It may have been. However, I haven't seen that Wagner card. I did see some of the "re-backed" cards I listed above.
Actually, I prefer tot refer to them as "Re-Fronted" cards. I contacted a gentleman in our town, who is a Professional
paper restorer. Back in 2000, I showed him a bunch of T206's and he told me that the process is to carefully remove
the front of the T206 card and paste a new front onto the "shaved" T206 card with the rare back.
I hope I clearly described the process of Re-Fronting.

Take care ole friend.

TED Z

T206 Reference
.

Here's an image of the card in question. Pretty much the same ludicrous reprint front and the card that started this thread, and, unless I'm mistaken, an impossible back.

Pat R · #7 06-30-2021, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Here's an image of the card in question. Pretty much the same ludicrous reprint front and the card that started this thread, and, unless I'm mistaken, an impossible back.

There are a few hand cut PD150 Wagner's.

Wagner PSA 8 A.jpg

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