What the hobby is becoming

Johnny630 · #1 07-04-2021, 10:25 AM

All these so called collectors who are not, they're fly by night investors in sports cards, once they get out we will all be better. I can't wait till they leave.
These assholes are addicted to 10's for the quick flip they could give two Sh*ts about Jordans Talent or Kobe's... it's all about MONEY.

Could Have Should Have Would Have....I'm in it for the LONG RUN....the Jan-March Numbers Have peoples minds warped, they will never get over it. They will never sell their stuff fair, they will go back to those 3 months, this insures the auction houses will get their cards it's perfect for the AH and PSA. I can't wait for reality to come back.

Mike D. · #2 07-04-2021, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny630

These assholes are addicted to 10's for the quick flip they could give two Sh*ts about Jordans Talent or Kobe's... it's all about MONEY.

Yeah, it feels a lot like the mad rush of the late 80�s. I was just a kid then but even at 10-12 it was obvious.

And I�ve done very few PSA subs, and 75% of those aren�t back yet, but my rule is that you enjoy the 9�s and sell the 10�s. I can�t tell the difference between a 9 and a 10 in hand, and 10�s sell for stupid money

swarmee · #3 07-04-2021, 10:34 AM

There was a guy on blowout that posted his experience with PSA: he had submitted an entire 200+ submission a year ago when 2020 Topps came out that had almost all base cards of the rookie class. Those graded card prices have plummeted as more continue to enter the market, and he was going to take a bath when they finally charge his credit card. So he requested that PSA send it back ungraded, and PSA agreed. Smart guy getting out before he's trying flip them at pennies on the dollar, even compared to the $15/card or so grading fee he locked into when he sent them.
Now the cheapest grading level is $200 for the next few months at a minimum.

conor912 · #4 07-04-2021, 11:19 AM

I attended my first show last weekend since 2019 and had some interesting observations. The lion's share of the inventories for the lion's share of the dealers was all within the last 5 years. While that's typically not what I collect, I have found some pockets of interest and spoke to many of these dealers. They were just about all in their 20's and 30's, and extremely nice, helpful, and enthusiastic. I had a nice interaction/conversation with each and every one. The energy in the room was great, someone had music playing, and I had more fun than I have in a long time at a show, even though I only left having only spent 20 bucks.

....then there were a few old guy dealers selling vintage, just sitting there with no one at their tables, arms crossed, looking curmudgeonly and completely unapproachable. In that environment, it was easy to pass them right over. It got me asking myself how on earth they could expect modern collectors to appreciate vintage with outward attitudes like that.

Hankphenom · #5 07-04-2021, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by conor912

I attended my first show last weekend since 2019 and had some interesting observations. The lion's share of the inventories for the lion's share of the dealers was all within the last 5 years. While that's typically not what I collect, I have found some pockets of interest and spoke to many of these dealers. They were just about all in their 20's and 30's, and extremely nice, helpful, and enthusiastic. I had a nice interaction/conversation with each and every one. The energy in the room was great, someone had music playing, and I had more fun than I have in a long time at a show, even though I only left having only spent 20 bucks.

....then there were a few old guy dealers selling vintage, just sitting there with no one at their tables, arms crossed, looking curmudgeonly and completely unapproachable. In that environment, it was easy to pass them right over. It got me asking myself how on earth they could expect modern collectors to appreciate vintage with outward attitudes like that.

I'm tempted to say the old guy vintage dealers are just bored with it all, but there have been similar complaints practically since shows started 50 years ago. Question: What would you guess the % is between flippers and actual collectors among the younger crowd at recent shows?

conor912 · #6 07-04-2021, 12:48 PM

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I'm tempted to say the old guy vintage dealers are just bored with it all, but there have been similar complaints practically since shows started 50 years ago. Question: What would you guess the % is between flippers and actual collectors among the younger crowd at recent shows?

I won�t for one second argue with that. It just seemed more magnified this time. If I ever hit a point where I become �bored with it all�, I�ll sure as hell find something else to do with my weekends.

As to the flippers vs. collectors, I have no idea. My main point was commenting on the show-going experience and not what the attendees intend to do with their purchases.

Hankphenom · #7 07-04-2021, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by conor912

I won�t for one second argue with that. It just seemed more magnified this time. If I ever hit a point where I become �bored with it all�, I�ll sure as hell find something else to do with my weekends.

As to the flippers vs. collectors, I have no idea. My main point was commenting on the show-going experience and not what the attendees intend to do with their purchases.

Agreed, my life's ambition is to limit the amount of time I'm bored as much as possible! Also agree on the excitement of the crowds of younger people at shows, off the charts at Philly. I'm just wondering how long it's going to last?

samosa4u · #8 07-04-2021, 11:48 AM

This is the reason why I had to wait half a year to get my beautiful vintage cards back! PSA was too busy trying to get this garbage out of their door! Anyhow, I am glad that PSA suspended all the lower grading levels. This will keep all those rats out.

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