Let's talk about Hall of Fame candidates who have been "neglected"

Mike D. · #1 07-13-2021, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

Ortiz failed a test in 2003. He then later claimed that when he finds out why he failed the test, he'd share the information publicly. But he of course never did that. Timing seems suspicious though, doesn't it? In 2003 Ortiz was more or less nobody. In 2004 he makes his first All Star team. Hmmmm......

Ortiz allegedly failed a test that was to set a baseline for if future testing would happen. This was leaked by the NY media….and no confirmation has ever happened, and no other names were released or leaked.

And it’s not like you take steroids and then you’re good for a decade…you know once testing started the HR hitters were “randomly” tested more than the 150 utility infielders.

packs · #2 07-14-2021, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike D.

Ortiz allegedly failed a test that was to set a baseline for if future testing would happen. This was leaked by the NY media�.and no confirmation has ever happened, and no other names were released or leaked.

And it�s not like you take steroids and then you�re good for a decade�you know once testing started the HR hitters were �randomly� tested more than the 150 utility infielders.

You sure about that? How do you explain the second prime of Clemens' career then? He didn't fail a test either. Was he cheating? Obviously.

Mike D. · #3 07-14-2021, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

You sure about that? How do you explain the second prime of Clemens' career then? He didn't fail a test either. Was he cheating? Obviously.

Am I sure Ortiz or Clemens did or didn�t cheat? Of course not�none of us are.

Is it LESS likely that they used after testing became widespread? Yes, although obviously the testing isn�t infallible.

It�s impossible to know who used what when and what effect it had. We can know someone used something at a point in time if they test positive. We can see evidence that they used (Mitchell report, accusations from Clemen�s trainer). But approaches like �leaked test results� and �backne� are less reliable.

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