Let's talk about Hall of Fame candidates who have been "neglected"

Peter_Spaeth · #1 07-17-2021, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

Maybe he's not a HOFer but I always thought Jorge Posada deserved more respect than a one and done ballot guy.

Overshadowed by many other big names but definitely a key to those great teams. You could do a lot worse than put him behind the plate for a decade and a half. Even as a Red Sox fan I always liked him for some reason.

G1911 · #2 07-17-2021, 03:26 PM

I'd end up at no on Posada, but I think he merited actual consideration. There are a lot of guys who are not getting any real examination and immediately falling off the ballot these days that deserve better. Lofton, Posada, Delgado all 1 and done candidates.

btcarfagno · #3 07-17-2021, 04:11 PM

"Indian" Bob Johnson. Career starts at age 27. 13 year career never once had an OPS+ below 125. Never. Once. Also one of the best fielders of his era with massive outfield assist numbers. Only one year with a WAR under 3.0 (it was his final year when he had a 3.9. 8 100 RBI season out of 13 (on some bad Philadelphia A's teams mind you). Six years of 100+ runs. More walks than strikeouts.

Hall Of Famer

Peter_Spaeth · #4 07-17-2021, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by btcarfagno

"Indian" Bob Johnson. Career starts at age 27. 13 year career never once had an OPS+ below 125. Never. Once. Also one of the best fielders of his era with massive outfield assist numbers. Only one year with a WAR under 3.0 (it was his final year when he had a 3.9. 8 100 RBI season out of 13 (on some bad Philadelphia A's teams mind you). Six years of 100+ runs. More walks than strikeouts.

Hall Of Famer

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TheBig6 · #5 07-19-2021, 08:59 PM

Billy Wagner only getting 10% seems a little low.

Jason19th · #6 07-19-2021, 09:09 PM

The Billy Wagner chart really isn�t an apples to apples comparison. Fingers, Gossage and Hoyt played a different game as relievers. They were often asked to pitch multiple innings or come in with an out in the 7th. If you want to compare Wagner you have to look at guys like John Franco or Fransisco Rodriquez. If Wagner goes in don�t those guys have to go in to ?

Peter_Spaeth · #7 07-19-2021, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason19th

The Billy Wagner chart really isn�t an apples to apples comparison. Fingers, Gossage and Hoyt played a different game as relievers. They were often asked to pitch multiple innings or come in with an out in the 7th. If you want to compare Wagner you have to look at guys like John Franco or Fransisco Rodriquez. If Wagner goes in don�t those guys have to go in to ?

Yeah let's see him next to Rivera and even Hoffman.

TheBig6 · #8 07-19-2021, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason19th

The Billy Wagner chart really isn’t an apples to apples comparison. Fingers, Gossage and Hoyt played a different game as relievers. They were often asked to pitch multiple innings or come in with an out in the 7th. If you want to compare Wagner you have to look at guys like John Franco or Fransisco Rodriquez. If Wagner goes in don’t those guys have to go in to ?

I agree with you on how Wagner was used compared to Wilhelm, Gossage, & Sutter. As far as comparing him to Franco or Rodriquez. They basically are close on saves. Franco pitched a half dozen more years than Wagner to amass 400+ saves. Wagner’s era was a lot better than Rodriquez. As a closer, I think Wagner is overlooked.

abothebear · #9 07-19-2021, 09:47 PM

I have no interest in modern closers getting in. When any 1-3 (and often 4-5) starter can convert to a reliever, only use their two best pitches, and ramp up their mph for one inning of work and be as good or better than most relievers, I don�t see how it makes sense to honor the save like we do. These guys are the not good enough to start guys, why should they get in? I�m not saying they aren�t useful, or even valuable. I�m not saying I don�t want great relievers on my favorite team. What I�m saying is that it doesn�t make sense to honor players as the best when the reason they are doing the job they are doing is because they aren�t the best.

Peter_Spaeth · #10 07-19-2021, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason19th

The Billy Wagner chart really isn�t an apples to apples comparison. Fingers, Gossage and Hoyt played a different game as relievers. They were often asked to pitch multiple innings or come in with an out in the 7th. If you want to compare Wagner you have to look at guys like John Franco or Fransisco Rodriquez. If Wagner goes in don�t those guys have to go in to ?

Of course if you use WAR, you get a very different result in terms of comparing Wagner even to the 70s and 80s guys. Cherry picked data.

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