Hey, pennant guys

[thetahat]

Domer … remember that other ‘54 Indians we discussed a few days ago? These rectangular “pennants” seem to be from the same maker. It’s pretty much a certainty. Curious, do you still think these are Trench?

[Domer05]

Good observation. Well ... I never thought of that banner (or the similar Dodgers and Yankees versions) as being a strong candidate for Trench; but, I certainly couldn't rule them out. They do look alike, don't they?

Unfortunately, these banners were all made pre-1957, which is about when Tom Storm's father purchased Trench. When I last spoke with Mr. Storm, he could not recall ever making banners (or, "rectangular pennants); but he wasn't really involved in the company until the early 1960s, well after these were made.

Whoever did make these banners, I believe they only made them for the league champions in '52 , '53, and '54, correct? Are there others? I can't recall ever seeing a '54 N.Y. Giants banner that complements this Indians one. But if one was made ... I know two guys who'll know

Here's the only vintage photograph I know of showing a banner like this: https://pennantfever.weebly.com/who-we-are.html

This photo was taken in the center field bleachers at Yankee Stadium during the '53 World Series. I believe there's ample evidence that Yankee Stadium, in the mid-1950s, was a Sport Service ballpark. If so, that makes it more likely this banner was supplied to them by Trench.

[Fballguy]

Curious to get thoughts on this one which just ended tonight for $2300 (plus $5.70 for standard shipping )

Orig 1911 VANDERBILT CUP AUTO RACE Souvenir PENNANT 34" Savannah Georgia

https://ebay.us/qOXEAH

It seems way off to me (despite the sellers guaranteed authenticity). It's very white for 110 years old. Also interesting, it looks nothing like 1910 or 1912 Vanderbilt Cup pennants, neither of which has sewn on letters or images. In fact there is another 1911 Cup pennant that does closely resemble the 1910 and 1912 pennants (and it sold for $5700+ on ebay about 10 years ago). No pin holes seems unlikely as well. Lastly, the image of the car in tonights auction shows only a single driver, while all other pennants have two in the car. I don't know enough about the race or these pennants to know for sure but I see enough red flags that I wouldn't have bid on it. Also below are the other 1910 thru 1912 Vanderbilt Cup pennants...

[bobw]

From Getty...

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Curious to get thoughts on this one which just ended tonight for $2300 (plus $5.70 for standard shipping )

Orig 1911 VANDERBILT CUP AUTO RACE Souvenir PENNANT 34" Savannah Georgia

https://ebay.us/qOXEAH

It seems way off to me (despite the sellers guaranteed authenticity). It's very white for 110 years old. Also interesting, it looks nothing like 1910 or 1912 Vanderbilt Cup pennants, neither of which has sewn on letters or images. In fact there is another 1911 Cup pennant that does closely resemble the 1910 and 1912 pennants (and it sold for $5700+ on ebay about 10 years ago). No pin holes seems unlikely as well. Lastly, the image of the car in tonights auction shows only a single driver, while all other pennants have two in the car. I don't know enough about the race or these pennants to know for sure but I see enough red flags that I wouldn't have bid on it. Also below are the other 1910 thru 1912 Vanderbilt Cup pennants...

I saw that too, but I didn’t see what it ended at. I thought it was legit as that was a common style for that era. I understand what you mean about different styles, but I think it’s good. Just my opinion.

[Duluth Eskimo]

The Yankees pennant is early 70’s utilizing the older styles. That style was used from the 50’s all the way to I guess the 70’s. The pennant needs to be dated on the material and stitching. Generally these pennants were already using synthetic stitching for the piping, but not all. The earliest of synthetic pennants still used regular fabric string / thread for stitching the piping.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

The Yankees pennant is early 70’s utilizing the older styles. That style was used from the 50’s all the way to I guess the 70’s. The pennant needs to be dated on the material and stitching. Generally these pennants were already using synthetic stitching for the piping, but not all. The earliest of synthetic pennants still used regular fabric string / thread for stitching the piping.

This is correct.

I have that same Yankees version on softer felt. They went with that particular design for many years. The really stiff ones are late 1960s - early 1970s. I have seen them so brittle that they actually crack (not something that real felt would ever do, and that's where I draw the line in my personal collection, haha).

[perezfan]

Beware of some pennant lots in the Huggins and Scott Auction that just opened. I see at least 3 lots with reproduction pennants that are not disclosed, and are being sold as original...

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Hope this is helpful!