Where is the buzz around REA?

[Peter_Spaeth]

I would love to understand where the flood of material is coming from. Is a whole generation of major collectors getting out, are card doctors stepping up their game/moving more of their accumulated inventory, some of each, something else?

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I would love to understand where the flood of material is coming from. Is a whole generation of major collectors getting out, are card doctors stepping up their game/moving more of their accumulated inventory, some of each, something else?

Peter I think it’s coming from guys who are long time collectors that think these numbers are to good to be true and they think he’ll why not time some stuff. Most prob never thought in the 90’s stuff would be selling like this.

That’s just my theory...take some risk off the table.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Peter I think it’s coming from guys who are long time collectors that think these numbers are to good to be true and they think he’ll why not time some stuff. Most prob never thought in the 90’s stuff would be selling like this.

That’s just my theory...take some risk off the table.

In 2016 the numbers for a while were unprecedented too, but I just don't recall such a huge amount of material flooding the market, could be wrong.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

In 2016 the numbers for a while were unprecedented too, but I just don't recall such a huge amount of material flooding the market, could be wrong.

Maybe They’re not missing the boat this time ?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Peter I think it’s coming from guys who are long time collectors that think these numbers are to good to be true and they think he’ll why not time some stuff. Most prob never thought in the 90’s stuff would be selling like this.

That’s just my theory...take some risk off the table.

You know me, my first explanation for everything is going to be the card doctor/TPG axis lol.

[troutbum97]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You know me, my first explanation for everything is going to be the card doctor/TPG axis lol.

You're on here 24/7/365, bitching about the card industry.

Everything is a fake, a fraud or a scam. And you continually post over & over & over. *OCD* You have 5 posts already on this fresh thread.

This REA auction is fantastic. I'm loving it. I'm hoping to pick up a few cards that I have been searching for over a year, and they've turned up here.
A few other mixed lots I hope to snag, too. I'm excited. Thrilled. Hopeful.


But, you keep being you, bitching & posting 24/7/365. You saturate these threads with constant negativity.
Your constant negativity has even carried over into the Robert Edwards arena.

Maybe you should log off and take a walk in the fresh air. The world is not so dark & grim away from your keyboard.

Brian May

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by troutbum97

You're on here 24/7/365, bitching about the card industry.

Everything is a fake, a fraud or a scam. And you continually post over & over & over. *OCD* You have 5 posts already on this fresh thread.

This REA auction is fantastic. I'm loving it. I'm hoping to pick up a few cards that I have been searching for over a year, and they've turned up here.
A few other mixed lots I hope to snag, too. I'm excited. Thrilled. Hopeful.


But, you keep being you, bitching & posting 24/7/365. You saturate these threads with constant negativity.
Your constant negativity has even carried over into the Robert Edwards arena.

Maybe you should log off and take a walk in the fresh air. The world is not so dark & grim away from your keyboard.

Brian May

You clearly lack reading comprehension because you are misunderstanding/mischaracterizing what I say but fire away. And may I suggest you avail yourself of the ignore feature.

[Leon]

FWIW, I disagree with you. Peter brings up good conversation points.

Originally Posted by troutbum97

You're on here 24/7/365, bitching about the card industry.

Everything is a fake, a fraud or a scam. And you continually post over & over & over. *OCD* You have 5 posts already on this fresh thread.

This REA auction is fantastic. I'm loving it. I'm hoping to pick up a few cards that I have been searching for over a year, and they've turned up here.
A few other mixed lots I hope to snag, too. I'm excited. Thrilled. Hopeful.


But, you keep being you, bitching & posting 24/7/365. You saturate these threads with constant negativity.
Your constant negativity has even carried over into the Robert Edwards arena.

Maybe you should log off and take a walk in the fresh air. The world is not so dark & grim away from your keyboard.

Brian May

[oldjudge]

Don’t get me wrong, I think it is a solid auction even without the Wagner, especially for 19th century. I was just wondering why more people aren’t talking about it.

[chadeast]

It's another amazing auction from REA, and I was excited to look through it the day it opened, but it's starting to feel redundant to post a thread or even comment about yet another incredible offering from REA, or the other big auction houses. They just keep coming month after month after month, seemingly without end. It doesn't mean that I'm not very interested in this auction though.

EDIT: The sensory overload comment resonates with me too. There are dozens of lots that I'm interested in, though I know I'll be lucky to win any.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Don’t get me wrong, I think it is a solid auction even without the Wagner, especially for 19th century. I was just wondering why more people aren’t talking about it.

The first rule of Card Club is that we don't talk about active auctions.
The second rule of Card Club is that WE DON'T TALK ABOUT ACTIVE AUCTIONS.

[jcmtiger]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Don’t get me wrong, I think it is a solid auction even without the Wagner, especially for 19th century. I was just wondering why more people aren’t talking about it.

No Detroit though.

[nineunder71]

Originally Posted by Leon

FWIW, I disagree with you. Peter brings up good conversation points.

+1

And I’ve never seen Peter renege on the BST, like I have Brian. Following through on your own commitments is sooo much more important than whether you agree with someone else’s opinions. Just my two cents

[JimC]

Definitely a lot of great stuff in this auction. I certainly think auction fatigue plays a role in the enthusiasm level, but it'll pick up.

Like Leon, I appreciate Peter's observations. It's a great hobby but there's no question there are a lot of bad actors and the problem hasn't been addressed meaningfully, let alone solved. Just my opinion. I think there's plenty of room to enjoy the hobby but still object to the bad stuff. We don't have industry leaders taking up that mantle so we need the experienced collectors to do it.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Leon

FWIW, I disagree with you. Peter brings up good conversation points.

Agree Highly Valued Member +1

[wolf441]

Originally Posted by troutbum97

You're on here 24/7/365, bitching about the card industry.

Everything is a fake, a fraud or a scam. And you continually post over & over & over. *OCD* You have 5 posts already on this fresh thread.

This REA auction is fantastic. I'm loving it. I'm hoping to pick up a few cards that I have been searching for over a year, and they've turned up here.
A few other mixed lots I hope to snag, too. I'm excited. Thrilled. Hopeful.


But, you keep being you, bitching & posting 24/7/365. You saturate these threads with constant negativity.
Your constant negativity has even carried over into the Robert Edwards arena.

Maybe you should log off and take a walk in the fresh air. The world is not so dark & grim away from your keyboard.

Brian May

Peter has been on here for a hell of a long time and many of us Net54 veterans enjoy reading his take.

I loved you in Queen, though!

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by troutbum97

You're on here 24/7/365, bitching about the card industry.

Everything is a fake, a fraud or a scam. And you continually post over & over & over. *OCD* You have 5 posts already on this fresh thread.

This REA auction is fantastic. I'm loving it. I'm hoping to pick up a few cards that I have been searching for over a year, and they've turned up here.
A few other mixed lots I hope to snag, too. I'm excited. Thrilled. Hopeful.


But, you keep being you, bitching & posting 24/7/365. You saturate these threads with constant negativity.
Your constant negativity has even carried over into the Robert Edwards arena.

Maybe you should log off and take a walk in the fresh air. The world is not so dark & grim away from your keyboard.

Brian May

Brian, is that you?

queen-3.jpg

[mark evans]

Originally Posted by troutbum97

You're on here 24/7/365, bitching about the card industry.

Everything is a fake, a fraud or a scam. And you continually post over & over & over. *OCD* You have 5 posts already on this fresh thread.

This REA auction is fantastic. I'm loving it. I'm hoping to pick up a few cards that I have been searching for over a year, and they've turned up here.
A few other mixed lots I hope to snag, too. I'm excited. Thrilled. Hopeful.


But, you keep being you, bitching & posting 24/7/365. You saturate these threads with constant negativity.
Your constant negativity has even carried over into the Robert Edwards arena.

Maybe you should log off and take a walk in the fresh air. The world is not so dark & grim away from your keyboard.

Brian May

I'll defend Peter. He is one of the most valuable and prolific resources on this Board, in particular for exposing fraud in the hobby.

[Exhibitman]

Peter is a solid member here. I don't always agree with his posts but they are always on-point and interesting.

[packs]

Anyone else having an issue logging into REA? Every time I do it says I need to update my password. But every time I update my password the site doesn't recognize the new password when I go to log in. I have to enter the old password again and am prompted endlessly to update it.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You know me, my first explanation for everything is going to be the card doctor/TPG axis lol.

Very possible. On the one thread a few days ago the post was What’s your
National Wishlist ? I said Indictments....not one response.

People don’t care about the card doctors, many will be set up behind tables.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Very possible. On the one thread a few days ago the post was What’s your
National Wishlist ? I said Indictments....not one response.

People don’t care about the card doctors, many will be set up behind tables.

Look, there are people (see above) who prefer their hobby through rose-colored glasses, and I get that.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Look, there are people (see above) who prefer their hobby through rose-colored glasses, and I get that.

Agree.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Look, there are people (see above) who prefer their hobby through rose-colored glasses, and I get that.

You can do both. Complain about the card industry and all its problems and have rose colored glasses because what you collect isn't affected by the card doctors.

I am currently doing option C. Not giving a F about the bad side and only worry about what I buy.

I have never been one to look at AHs. Might have to start so I can finish my T210 Ft Worth team set.

[BRoberts]

REA has been open less than 72 hours and the T206 Wagner is a bid away from nearly $5 million, a figure many here said would be the final selling price. I just took a look at the recent bids age, and like previous REA auctions, there are practically no significant lulls in the bidding activity. By my count, the auction is receiving a bid about every 15-20 seconds. On a summer Sunday, with 21 days to go until the auction closes. I think REA is the "event" it always has been, maybe just not here on Net54. That is a reflection on how Net54 has changed, not REA.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Look, there are people (see above) who prefer their hobby through rose-colored glasses, and I get that.

They have slab values to protect so please take a break from posting about all the scandals and hobby issues 24/7/365. You can come back when you can post something positive about the hobby. Didn't your mommy teach you to keep quiet if you have nothing nice to say?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

They have slab values to protect so please take a break from posting about all the scandals and hobby issues 24/7/365. You can come back when you can post something positive about the hobby. Didn't your mommy teach you to keep quiet if you have nothing nice to say?

I'm headed to the corner for a time out, then to the blackboard to write "I love the hobby" 50 times.

[Joe_G.]

From my seat in the house, this offering is amazing, some incredible 19th century items. This auction reminds me of the old 2 a year format w.r.t. content. Nice to see new material still entering the hobby.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You know me, my first explanation for everything is going to be the card doctor/TPG axis lol.

I can only speak for myself. The major consignments I've gotten in over the last year or so have all been either older collectors who are realizing that there is no interest in the collection from the next generation of their family.

or

The next generation of the family dealing with a collection that has been left behind.

Many of scenario #2 have been sitting on the cards for some time now but all the mainstream press about cards has hit the general public's radar and motivated them to act.

Sad side note, even some of these legacy collections that have been in one set of hands for decades are not free from the insidious card doctors. Collections that were still being added to more recently are RIDDLED with problem cards. It's astonishing. I've got trimmed 1952 Topps Mantle, Trimmed 1933 Goudey Ruth Red, Altered 1934 Goudey Gehrig, a stunning 1949 Duke Snider rookie that is probably trimmed, it goes on and on.

Oh and almost all of these collections are raw.

Just my personal observation I can't speak for every auction.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I can only speak for myself. The major consignments I've gotten in over the last year or so have all been either older collectors who are realizing that there is no interest in the collection from the next generation of their family.

or

The next generation of the family dealing with a collection that has been left behind.

Many of scenario #2 have been sitting on the cards for some time now but all the mainstream press about cards has hit the general public's radar and motivated them to act.

Sad side note, even some of these legacy collections that have been in one set of hands for decades are not free from the insidious card doctors. Collections that were still being added to more recently are RIDDLED with problem cards. It's astonishing. I've got trimmed 1952 Topps Mantle, Trimmed 1933 Goudey Ruth Red, Altered 1934 Goudey Gehrig, a stunning 1949 Duke Snider rookie that is probably trimmed, it goes on and on.

Oh and almost all of these collections are raw.

Just my personal observation I can't speak for every auction.

These cards could have been trimmed back in the disco days for all we know. The Rosen book I recently read pointed out that cards have been getting altered for a long time.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

These cards could have been trimmed back in the disco days for all we know. The Rosen book I recently read pointed out that cards have been getting altered for a long time.

No doubt. Doesn't change anything I said though.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Peter I think it’s coming from guys who are long time collectors that think these numbers are to good to be true and they think he’ll why not time some stuff. Most prob never thought in the 90’s stuff would be selling like this.

That’s just my theory...take some risk off the table.

This is my philosophy of late, I have switched to obscure issues and errors as I refuse to bury myself in losses when this returns to the norm. It has been a fight to not clear the drawers with all this new blood in the water when these new collectors are buying like this is 2007 real estate and completely bought into the "investment". I'll be back buying the good pieces in a few years that are soaking in the tears of these noobs.

...also Peter is amazing and needed on this forum for his knowledge and honesty. He'll also still be here in years unlike the rotating cast of characters, lol.

[Santo10Fan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I would love to understand where the flood of material is coming from. Is a whole generation of major collectors getting out, are card doctors stepping up their game/moving more of their accumulated inventory, some of each, something else?

If one concurs that a bull market peaked this past spring (which of course is debatable on another thread ) the consignment decisions from that time period would now be showing up at REA and Mile High, etc., no?