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It doesn't take anything away from the Babe to acknowledge how special Ohtani is and what he is doing in this age of modern baseball and the physical specimens that play the game. The only reason that there is a comparison is the fact that no player has performed to this level as both a pitcher and everyday player since Babe did it for a short period of time back in the day. I don't think there is anything wrong with showing appreciation for both and marvel at what Shohei is doing.
Stats are just numbers. Figures lie and liars figure, and we have some on this forum.

All numbers aside Brian has summarized the intent of this thread without using a calculator, or an abacus for that matter.

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Stats are just numbers. Figures lie and liars figure, and we have some on this forum.

All numbers aside Brian has summarized the intent of this thread without using a calculator, or an abacus for that matter.

Bravo!
That is funny, because in the very first post to start this thread you ended up including all kinds of figures and stats for Ruth and Ohtani yourself. You even asked the specific question, "So how have they done?", which is basically telling everyone to compare their stats. Now, did you tell everyone in your opening post to not start comparing Ruth to Ohtani beyond those single years for both of them? No! But you know darn well that people on here are going to start comparing their overall stats and how you can't compare the two and blah, blah, blah. You can pretty much expect the thread will also get hijacked somewhat in the recurring modern versus old time player comparisons and who is better, and blah, blah, blah again. So why didn't you just leave out all the actual stats and simply say that 2021 and Ohtani is the first time since 1919 and Ruth that we've had a full time pitcher and everyday player in MLB, wish Ohtani well, and leave it at that?
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Damn it, I want to know where that .332 comes from, now it's bothering me.
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It comes from the table below on Ruth's Baseball Reference page but I have no idea what it represents. The number doesn't make sense to me.
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It comes from the table below on Ruth's Baseball Reference page but I have no idea what it represents. The number doesn't make sense to me.
Yes sorry I saw it in the table I just don't know how on earth it is derived.
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.332 is not because of the Negro League stats being included. I checked a few years and the numbers seemed normal. For example, in 1930 the NNL batting average was .277 which would actually have brought the AL and NL averages down.
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.332 is not because of the Negro League stats being included. I checked a few years and the numbers seemed normal. For example, in 1930 the NNL batting average was .277 which would actually have brought the AL and NL averages down.
Yeah that makes sense. Must be some massive database error.
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What's odd is that the slugging average of .372 seems to be too low while the BA seems to be too high.

Edited to add: actually .372 may be correct for the average of those eight seasons...it just seems wrong given that the BA is so high.
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