1919 Ruth vs 2021 Ohtani

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Tina says "What's 1921 got to do with it?"

In 1921 Ruth's ERA was 9.00 in 9 innings of pitching.

maybe you'll like this one better then:

In 1919 Ruth lead in 8 offensive batting stats:

HR, RBI, Runs, OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+, Total Bases


Ohtani in 2021 leads in 2:

HR & Slugging



8-2 aint exactly a close game Doc

[Peter_Spaeth]

Bob Meusel was no Vlad Jr.

And some of those categories are sort of overlapping, no?

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Bob Meusel was no Vlad Jr.

And some of those categories are sort of overlapping, no?

I don't listen to anyone who thinks Mike Trout can start a lawnmower.

There's a box of rocks underneath that Angel's cap.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

I don't listen to anyone who thinks Mike Trout can start a lawnmower.

There's a box of rocks underneath that Angel's cap.

I am telling you he mastered it in 8th grade.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am telling you he mastered it in 8th grade.

Unless you have a Youtube video of this occurring (I'll accept a cellphone video as well) or a note from one of his neighbors I'm not convinced.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Unless you have a Youtube video of this occurring (I'll accept a cellphone video as well) or a note from one of his neighbors I'm not convinced.

How about a photoshopped image?

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

How about a photoshopped image?

It'll have to due at this point because there ain't no other one out there.

[Shoeless Moe]

Doc Holiday,

The cry of Ruth didn't play against the best is just that.....a cry


Here's a few guys that played when Ruth played:

Honus Wagner
Ty Cobb
Christy Mathewson
Walter Johnson
Grover Cleveland Alexander
Lou Gehrig
Tris Speaker
Pie Traynor
Shoeless Joe Jackson
Nap Lajoie
George Sisler
Rogers Hornsby
Jimmie Foxx
Al Simmons
Lefty Grove
Dizzy Dean
Ed Walsh
Eddie Collins
Eddie Plank
Eddie Cicotte
Eddie Olczyk
Eddie Munster
Carl Hubbell
Frankie Frisch
Mickey Cochrane
Rabbit Maranville
Paul Waner
Lloyd Waner
Mel Ott
&
Hank Greenberg

and I'm sure I'm missing a few, but sure sounds like he played against the best to me.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

and I'm sure I'm missing a few, but sure sounds like he played against the best to me.

An interesting premise. So "the best" excludes every black player. Alrighty then.

[Shoeless Moe]

and if you really want to go there Peter......fine....here's some more if 8-2 wasn't bad enough......

1919

Ruth at the plate
Walks 101
K's 58


2021

Ohtani at the dish
Walks 50
K's 130

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

and if you really want to go there Peter......fine....here's some more if 8-2 wasn't bad enough......

1919

Ruth at the plate
Walks 101
K's 58


2021

Ohtani at the dish
Walks 50
K's 130

That's cause he's facing much FASTER and better pitching LOLOL. It was hard to fan the Babe with a 82 MPH heater. Even the lawnmower man strikes out a lot when he's otherwise obliterating records.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

maybe you'll like this one better then:

In 1919 Ruth lead in 8 offensive batting stats:

HR, RBI, Runs, OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+, Total Bases


Ohtani in 2021 leads in 2:

HR & Slugging



8-2 aint exactly a close game Doc

Ruth didn't have to compete with Gibson, Suttles, Charleston, etc.

Ohtani has to compete with Guerrero, Tatis, Abreu, etc

Ohtani also leads in WAR.

If you don't think that the best players of color would not have diluted Ruth's dominance, I can't help you.

Once again, 100 years is a long time, different eras.

The numbers do not change the fact that 1919 Ruth is the most similar season to 2021 Ohtani in what the two players were doing on the field every day. If you disagree, perhaps you need to see an ophthalmologist.

The premise of the thread stands. Ruth is great. Ohtani may be. When another pitcher/hitter comes along, we can compare him to both Ruth and Ohtani, but that may not happen for another 102 years, which once again would be a different era.

See you then.

Ta Ta

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

maybe you'll like this one better then:

In 1919 Ruth lead in 8 offensive batting stats:

HR, RBI, Runs, OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+, Total Bases


Ohtani in 2021 leads in 2:

HR & Slugging



8-2 aint exactly a close game Doc

I Love the passion in these forums. I Love the use of stats and comparing the similarities and the differences in the times. Even love the discussions on the different training methodologies and the ways we use stats to try and the rest of the league like when someone mention Ruth had more home runs in 1 season then the next closest 2 hitters combined.

Keep it coming.