Grading using artificial intelligence

[Case12]

Some AI SW developers and a HW engineer, if focused on this application, should be able to do this now. It may take them a year or two. Maybe longer to build the database and have experts confirm sampling/interpretation for a while. AI would take over from there (with some bias built in). Probably $2 -3M for pros and outsourcing. Maybe more because AI developers are in very high demand. Probably use Google Tensor Flow and Raspberry PI to start with. Just don't know if the ROI would be worth it.

Just finished consulting with start-up doing image 3D recognition, including movement and sound, then interpretation to animation translation. All wireless between sensors. Stand alone system and/or cloud. That's pretty hard, but they are doing it. I helped them get 10 patents granted on their app so far.

I left them start of pandemic. Yep, it affected me like others. So, I don't know what image probability levels they were going to get. They swore it would be above 95% as AI matured. Their app had to be very close to 100%.

This was a non-profit so ROI was not an issue. Large donors.

[Rick-Rarecards]

Originally Posted by Case12

Some AI SW developers and a HW engineer, if focused on this application, should be able to do this now. It may take them a year or two. Maybe longer to build the database and have experts confirm sampling/interpretation for a while. AI would take over from there (with some bias built in). Probably $2M for pros and outsourcing. Probably use Google Tensor Flow and Raspberry PI to start with. Just don't know if the ROI would be worth it.

Just finished consulting with start-up doing image 3D recognition, including movement and sound, then interpretation to animation translation. All wireless between sensors. Stand alone system and/or cloud. That's pretty hard, but they are doing it. I helped them get 10 patents granted on their app so far.

I left them start of pandemic. Yep, it affected me like others. So, I don't know what image probability levels they were going to get. They swore it would be above 95% as AI matured. Their app had to be very close to 100%.

This was a non-profit so ROI was not an issue. Large donors.

This in the industry is what we call a magic solution response. It doesn't directly address what the problem is. It speaks about a specific application, uses some indication of high probability, and lets you as the reader generalize this to everything. It doesn't indicate what the app is, what image 3D recognition they are doing. Movement and sound, that wont happen for cards why is it applicable? Google Tensor Flow and Raspberry PI ? So googles general platform and a cheap computer?

[drcy]

If graders are taking like two seconds to grade most cards (whether or not true, something said in another post), I would think AI would slow that down.

[Case12]

Btw, huge database is not what AI is about. It will develop and decide on its own....thus, AI. Large confirmed samples are needed to start. The expert confirmation at beginning is what counts. I don't know what the probabilities are today. 2 years ago they were around 70%. Probably higher now. At minimum AI could be used as a filter to improve efficiency for this app.

Btw, this start-up had the SW and HW up and running. The developers were DOD contractors. They were in the expert confirmation process, which takes time and experts. Also, expert bias is a big concern because AI will grow on its own with that bias. Biggest concern we were concerned with.

All major tech companies have their own AI platform. We were using Google. Raspberry was our starting point, not ending. Just commenting on how to get up and running with new app in short time. Not debating what is best.
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[Rick-Rarecards]

Originally Posted by Case12

Btw, huge database is not what AI is about. It will develop and decide on its own....thus, AI. Large confirmed samples are needed to start. The expert confirmation at beginning is what counts. I don't know what the probabilities are today. 2 years ago they were around 70%. Probably higher now. At minimum AI could be used as a filter to improve efficiency for this app.

Btw, this start-up had the SW and HW up and running. The developers were DOD contractors. They were in the expert confirmation process, which takes time and experts. Also, expert bias is a big concern because AI will grow on its own with that bias. Biggest concern we were concerned with.
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Develop and decide what? What is the task that was being solved? 70% what? Look at GPT-3 how many parameters does it have and how training examples did it need? AI is not magic, you need to be more specific with the claims.

All major tech companies have their own AI platform.

Of course and my claim is they overstate their value and abilities.

[Case12]

Originally Posted by Rick-Rarecards

Develop and decide what? What is the task that was being solved? 70% what? Look at GPT-3 how many parameters does it have and how training examples did it need? AI is not magic, you need to be more specific with the claims.

Of course and my claim is they overstate their value and abilities.

I agree with everything you say. And AI is not vudu
magic.

In this app we were translating unknown deaf sign language movements to text and voice to animated avatar with text and sound (and visa versa). Some of this is already available without AI. Our goal was the unknown body motions part.

It isn't just talk though They were in the process of developing it. Admitting only hardware prototype (but close enough for design patents and working sound/motion/display hardware) and software prototype (working to the point of needing expert image and motion feedback on known movement). These folk started from scratch and built to that point in two years. I don't know their progress since my leaving in March 2020.

I apologize for overstating. And you are absolutely correct that it depends on the app. The one they were doing was pretty tough though. (Unknown motion, image, sound, text, context).

[mrreality68]

Hi

I do not know enough about AI to know where the technology is at or not at. But I cannot believe we already do not have the technology with all the advances that are mentioned and the things AI already does things like

From Forbes Magazine

It can produce breathtaking original content: poetry, prose, images, music, human faces. It can diagnose some medical conditions more accurately than a human physician. Last year it produced a solution to the “protein folding problem,” a grand challenge in biology that has stumped researchers for half a century.

Not to mention that they already automating business processes, gaining insight through data analysis, and engaging with customers and employees.

So why would it not be able to do cards unless it is as someone mentioned all about the income stream of Cracking the cases to regrade?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

Hi

I do not know enough about AI to know where the technology is at or not at. But I cannot believe we already do not have the technology with all the advances that are mentioned and the things AI already does things like

From Forbes Magazine

It can produce breathtaking original content: poetry, prose, images, music, human faces. It can diagnose some medical conditions more accurately than a human physician. Last year it produced a solution to the “protein folding problem,” a grand challenge in biology that has stumped researchers for half a century.

Not to mention that they already automating business processes, gaining insight through data analysis, and engaging with customers and employees.

So why would it not be able to do cards unless it is as someone mentioned all about the income stream of Cracking the cases to regrade?

I think it's perhaps a false equivalency, sort of like asking if we can put a spaceship on Mars why can't we cure the common cold? It may be very well suited for the tasks you mention but that doesn't necessarily translate. PS no insult to anyone here but that it can diagnose better than a human doctor, based on my recent experiences, doesn't impress me.